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Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

But they don't have as strong model as GPT-4 or Gemini 1.5 Ultra.

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Post by knowriju »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

The reason for Apple to do this will be exactly why Microsoft is happy for OpenAI to provide the Models. If anything goes wrong it's not Apple or Microsoft's fault. It is the SaaS provider who is to blame. For apple this will mean Google's stock takes the hit while theirs remain unaffected. Unfortunately for OpenAI/MS, OpenAI is not public and so everyone is using MS as a proxy for trading on OAI. So if something goes wrong in the Bing/CoPilot world, MS stock will take the hit.

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Post by ezst »

saberience wrote: post #34

Apple sending my data to Google would be one of the few actions they could take to make me consider going through the pain necessary to leave their ecosystem.

They take billions a year to do that with your search, and have been at it for decades. They collect the same amount, if not more, of personal data. I really don't see why people elevate Apple to higher standards there. Because they also sell high margin gadgets? They are a for profit, sit on a goldmine, and implement as many lock-in patterns to make sure you can't self host/escape this collection.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by throwaway290 »

knowriju wrote: post #53
seydor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

The reason for Apple to do this will be exactly why Microsoft is happy for OpenAI to provide the Models. If anything goes wrong it's not Apple or Microsoft's fault. It is the SaaS provider who is to blame. For apple this will mean Google's stock takes the hit while theirs remain unaffected. Unfortunately for OpenAI/MS, OpenAI is not public and so everyone is using MS as a proxy for trading on OAI. So if something goe…

I was about to say just that.

And it's also why I doubt Apple would go with OAI, wouldn't want to depend on Microsoft's private money sink/flaky legal shield.

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Post by TMWNN »

crimsontech wrote: post #48
TMWNN wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It takes a lot of effort to make the current version of a product much worse than the initial version. My favorite example of this is how Siri used to give an audio confirmation that it is hearing me. This went away several iOS versions ago, and now I have to wait a few seconds then hope that I hear Siri's response; if not, I only then know that Siri did not hear my "Siri, ____" and have to start again. Even worse,…

Odd, I just tried it and it still works normally for me. I say “Siri” and the device says “uh huh?”

Siri only does that when it hears "Siri" and nothing else, so a wait is still required. When I began using Siri it beeped when it began listening for more after "Hey, Siri", so I knew immediately that I could continue speaking.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by throwaway290 »

ezst wrote: post #33
ildjarn wrote: post #18

Part of the appeal of an iGizmo is not sending so much data to Google. I really doubt this is happening, and if it is, Apple will be hosting the models.

> Part of the appeal of an iGizmo is not sending so much data to Google. I guess Apple's Marketing is doing its thing once again...

Wireshark an igizmo and a droid and see the difference for yourself :)

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by knowriju »

CTDOCodebases wrote: post #6

Imagine a world where every phone gets turned into a useful digital assistant that can order things for us online via APIs. I wonder if Amazon is ready for this.

This is only true for the affluent people in the world. Every person I personally know off will reasearch the shit out of the products including coupons available before making any kind of medium-high value purchase.

The digital assistant will need to be impartial and help in comparison with other similar product. Then again different people have different comparison criteria. Based on context I might be okay with a chinese knockoff while most of the time I might prefer the item that will last the longest.

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Post by seydor »

ezst wrote: post #40
seydor wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

Or maybe Apple doesn't want to touch that mess of a copyright and IP infringing hellhole and subcontracting is the smart move?

they didnt seem afraid to touch music or movies, they have a lot of experience in that no?

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Post by botulidze »

CSMastermind wrote: post #21
CTDOCodebases wrote: post #6

Imagine a world where every phone gets turned into a useful digital assistant that can order things for us online via APIs. I wonder if Amazon is ready for this.

I think the more interesting world is where AI assistants overtake the GUI as the primary interface for many operating system functions. It's my belief that the lasting innovation of LLMs will be finally making voice a true first order interface for our computers. "We'll just be talking to them" is something I've heard since the 90s and it seems like we can finally see that reality on the horizon.

When it comes to GUI, I can click faster than I talk. Sometimes typing would be a bit faster as well, in case you need to correct an error. Also, imagine a bunch of people talking all day long in an open space instead of mouse clicking/typing.

Brain to machine signaling interface is the logical step forward if we really want to be faster at input.

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