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Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by idle_zealot »

CSMastermind wrote: post #21
CTDOCodebases wrote: post #6

Imagine a world where every phone gets turned into a useful digital assistant that can order things for us online via APIs. I wonder if Amazon is ready for this.

I think the more interesting world is where AI assistants overtake the GUI as the primary interface for many operating system functions. It's my belief that the lasting innovation of LLMs will be finally making voice a true first order interface for our computers. "We'll just be talking to them" is something I've heard since the 90s and it seems like we can finally see that reality on the horizon.

That sounds endlessly frustrating. Imagine trying to use your computer and the primary way to accomplish anything is to convince/prompt-engineer some two-bit LLM into doing it. First you have to convince it that what you're doing is ethical and doesn't violate its safety guidelines, then you have to get it to actually translate your natural language into the actions you want to perform, which will be more difficult the less common those actions are, and finally you need to check its action plan for any subtle errors or misinterpretation. It would be like operating a computer by way of a phone call with an annoying relative who doesn't quite know how to use one.

This will be the case until we have AI agents that are as intelligent and competent as a top-percentile human personal assistant. At the point where that's possible though, I doubt the future of phone interfaces will be the most interesting change.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by pkaye »

saberience wrote: post #27
panarky wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini doesn't run on GPUs, it runs on Google's custom TPU silicon. The TPU v4 was already competitive with Nvidia, and the new v5p is 2.4 times faster and more power efficient than v4.

Do you have a solid source for this claim? Everything I have read/heard tells me that companies would much, much rather have access to Nvidia chips than Googles TPUs.

I think there are different size Gemini models and some of them can fit on a phone with TPUs or similar and since each user will use their own phone, it offloads the computation.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by ezst »

ildjarn wrote: post #18

Part of the appeal of an iGizmo is not sending so much data to Google. I really doubt this is happening, and if it is, Apple will be hosting the models.

> Part of the appeal of an iGizmo is not sending so much data to Google.

I guess Apple's Marketing is doing its thing once again...

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by TMWNN »

archerx wrote: post #11
chocoboaus2 wrote: post #7

If Apple uses a third party to provide this what the heck has the Siri team been doing the last five years?

It takes a lot of effort to make the current version of a product much worse than the initial version. They did the same with the podcast app which used to be amazing, the new one I’m constantly fighting against because it keeps thinking I want to relisten to a podcast I just listened too, also the new version is slower and buggy.

>It takes a lot of effort to make the current version of a product much worse than the initial version.

My favorite example of this is how Siri used to give an audio confirmation that it is hearing me. This went away several iOS versions ago, and now I have to wait a few seconds then hope that I hear Siri's response; if not, I only then know that Siri did not hear my "Siri, ____" and have to start again. Even worse, maybe one out of ten times Siri does provide an audio confirmation at the start of listening! If there is some hidden iOS setting I can set to fix this, please let me know because I sure can't find it.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by sa-code »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

Mistral has less than 50 people and they're less than a year old

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by TwentyPosts »

gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

> I think Apple by now realizes that Android was a necessary defensive play by Google aimed not at them, but at Microsoft

Huh? Could you elaborate on this? Maybe I am missing some historical context, but it feels like Android is very much eating into Apple's market share, not into Microsoft's. How does this reasoning work out?

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by kristiandupont »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

Every product that any company needs is a choice between source/create. It's not more "competent" to build everything in house.

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by Voultapher »

saberience wrote: post #34

Apple sending my data to Google would be one of the few actions they could take to make me consider going through the pain necessary to leave their ecosystem.

And switch to Google's Android? Are there other reasonable options?

Re: Apple Is in Talks to Let Google's Gemini Power iPhone Generative AI Features

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Post by ezst »

seydor wrote: post #30
gman83 wrote: post #28

I don't see why everyone is so surprised by this. Google already provides the default search engine for iOS, and it's clear that Apple's on-device stuff is going to be years away. They don't have the infrastructure to do this themselves either, so they're going to need a partner. Steve Jobs always saw Apple and Google as natural partners, he just couldn't get over that Google launched Android. I think Apple by now re…

This is very surprising. Stability AI can do this with 100M total funding. Apple is a 3 trillion dollar company. Sounds incompetent

Or maybe Apple doesn't want to touch that mess of a copyright and IP infringing hellhole and subcontracting is the smart move?
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