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Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by brandonagr2 »

falcolas wrote: post #21
bryanlarsen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, the NHTSA did the right thing. The NY Post, on the other hand...

Do you believe NHTSA forcing Tesla to fix a safety issue is not worth calling out, in particular to TSLA shareholders? The solution to many recalls these days is a software update. Cars are becoming computers with wheels...

Should the public be alerted to which brands recall millions of vehicles per year? Sure, here is the list of brands with the most recalls

https://www.powernationtv.com/post/auto-brands-with-the-most...

Do these articles by journalists actually educate the public on the facts or are they profit driven clickbait to push a preconceived narrative?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by callalex »

xnx wrote: post #25

s/recall/free over-the-air update/

No, those aren’t the same thing. Tesla had to be forced to make their product safe by the regulator. If these updates are so easy and trivial in your mind, why doesn’t Tesla do them without being forced to?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by nickthegreek »

gfosco wrote: post #40
nickthegreek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word. There are federal safety standards and Tesla is not implementing them correctly, NHTSA issues a recall, full stop.

Perhaps it's time to fight over words. The definition of recall no longer works, and I believe it is constantly used specifically negatively against Tesla. It has an effect on most people, who aren't savvy, who don't read beyond the headline. (i've not participated in these alleged battles before)

>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) states that a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards

The NHTSA issues a recall. It is up to the car manufactures to implement a fix in whichever ways they want.

Tesla even has their own page where they list these Recalls. Tesla has no problem with the word. Elon Musk, a noted individual that likes to say it like is, has not come out against the word either. https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service

How about instead of fighting the words, you fight the car companies that refuse to use their profits to correctly follow the established safety protocols.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by brandonagr2 »

ycnewsreader wrote: post #44

This is not their raster display UI. These are actual warning lights. Unlikely OTA can deliver actual installed hardware.

The warning lights only exist on the LCD screen, this is what changed

https://twitter.com/DriveTeslaca/status/1753302155275157637

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by Veserv »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #34
nickthegreek wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The agency says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards. How is it a hit piece? Tesla did not implement the federal safety standards correctly.

People assume the absolute worst when they see the word "recall". There's a huge gulf between people that keep up with tech news and people that don't. Millions of people are likely unaware that Tesla cars get software updates at all , let alone over the air. So when they see an article with a headline of "Latest recall at Elon Musk’s Tesla affecting 2.2M vehicles", they assume Tesla owners all over the country are h…

The cars are fundamentally unsafe until fixed. That is what a recall means: there is a safety defect requiring prompt removal of unfixed cars.

The manufacturer can avoid refunds by fixing their defective product by creating a new, safe, fixed version and upgrading all owners for free. Whether that can be done remotely is independent of the presence of a safety defect demanding removal of all cars still containing that defect.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by bumby »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #31
bumby wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: "The agency [NHTSA] says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards."

But does that apply only to touchscreens or is that written before touchscreens?

I don't know what requirements they are referencing, but the SAE standards are defined after well after touchscreens. (I believe touchscreens date back to the 1980s).

But I think that is a somewhat unimportant point because the requirement intent is to make sure the warning is conspicuous. I'm not sure that touchscreens would be inherently different in that regard. Or are you thinking there's something unique to the touchscreens that makes them meet that intent in some other way?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by bumby »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #51
falcolas wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe NHTSA forcing Tesla to fix a safety issue is not worth calling out, in particular to TSLA shareholders? The solution to many recalls these days is a software update. Cars are becoming computers with wheels...

Should the public be alerted to which brands recall millions of vehicles per year? Sure, here is the list of brands with the most recalls https://www.powernationtv.com/post/auto-brands-with-the-most... Do these articles by journalists actually educate the public on the facts or are they profit driven clickbait to push a preconceived narrative?

>Do these articles by journalists actually educate the public on the facts or are they profit driven clickbait to push a preconceived narrative?

Both can be true. I, for one, don't often peruse online sources to look for recalls, but am more likely alerted to them by news articles or mail. If a discerning public can parse the usefulness from the narrative, then it can still be a net positive.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by brandonagr2 »

nickthegreek wrote: post #7
xeromal wrote: post #4

At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces. God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA

>The agency says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards. How is it a hit piece? Tesla did not implement the federal safety standards correctly.

Instead of an icon that contained text at the bottom that was slightly smaller than 3.2mm, they are replacing the icon with huge text PARK

https://twitter.com/DriveTeslaca/status/1753302155275157637

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V051-2023.PDF

It is a trivial change that will not impact safety

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by nickthegreek »

notact wrote: post #39
nickthegreek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word. There are federal safety standards and Tesla is not implementing them correctly, NHTSA issues a recall, full stop.

Regardless of what recall means today, in the past it meant a physical visit to the dealership. I believe there are many people (for example my mother) who would see the headline, not actually read the article, arrive at a mistaken conclusion that Tesla's must spend most of their time in the shop, and then spread that misinformation. So I agree, there should be a distinction between "Tesla owners required to visit a…

Tesla owners will receive information (as required by law) about the issue and resolution. I am sorry that your mom decides to spread misinformation about articles that she did not read. That doesn't sound like an issue that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should take into account.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Post by quonn »

falcolas wrote: post #11
tyleo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I can’t believe so many words are spilled in an article over such a nothing burger… well I can believe it but it’s sad. I’m just as much of a Tesla critic as anyone I’d say but this is really a reach.

If it's become as formal as a recall, it's worth at least noting. Sure, the fix is simple (and most folks won't even notice), but Tesla was still forced into making the fix.

Omg, they forced Tesla. Presumably they also forced all other manufacturers to make the text the right size, whether they shipped that incorrectly or not. I don't think anyone had a choice.
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