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Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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Are there standards for touch screen UI elements?

From the article: "The agency [NHTSA] says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards."

But does that apply only to touchscreens or is that written before touchscreens?

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

#32

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

I don't think this is the right way to think about the problem. Recalls could probably be improved by classification based on risk, but not on "inconvenience to the consumer."

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the articles don't make it super obvious in the headline that it's a software update.

The solution for many recalls these days is quite often a software update. No, what's notable is Tesla was forced to issue the update. This probably has consequences for Tesla beyond some bandwidth.

> The solution for many recalls these days is quite often a software update.

That other manufacturers force owners to bring their car to the dealer for.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

#34
post #4

At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces. God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA

>The agency says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards. How is it a hit piece? Tesla did not implement the federal safety standards correctly.

People assume the absolute worst when they see the word "recall".

There's a huge gulf between people that keep up with tech news and people that don't. Millions of people are likely unaware that Tesla cars get software updates at all, let alone over the air.

So when they see an article with a headline of "Latest recall at Elon Musk’s Tesla affecting 2.2M vehicles", they assume Tesla owners all over the country are having to take their cars to a service center to get fixed. Many will probably assume the cars are fundamentally broken or unsafe until the car gets taken in.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the articles don't make it super obvious in the headline that it's a software update.

Ya there is a bunch of missing information from the headline... thats why there is an article, to talk about it.

Oh c'mon, you know damn well that most people only read headlines and not the article.

Even people on HN are guilty of this.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

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post #4

At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces. God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA

> At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces

Normally I would agree, but this is the NYPost which is pretty friendly to conservatives(1). Maybe they attack Tesla because it's "green" tech but defend Elon in the context of Tesla/SpaceX? Just a guess as I'm not a regular reader.

1: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

#38
post #4

At this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces. God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA

> God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA

I've had updates take damn near 2 hours. >.I make sure to only update at home and when I don't expect to be driving the rest of the day. If something came up, I could always take my wife's car.

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

#39

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word. There are federal safety standards and Tesla is not implementing them correctly, NHTSA issues a recall, full stop.

Regardless of what recall means today, in the past it meant a physical visit to the dealership. I believe there are many people (for example my mother) who would see the headline, not actually read the article, arrive at a mistaken conclusion that Tesla's must spend most of their time in the shop, and then spread that misinformation. So I agree, there should be a distinction between "Tesla owners required to visit a dealership" and "Tesla owners' cars receive updates while parked in their garage".

Re: Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles

#40

We need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.

Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word. There are federal safety standards and Tesla is not implementing them correctly, NHTSA issues a recall, full stop.

Perhaps it's time to fight over words. The definition of recall no longer works, and I believe it is constantly used specifically negatively against Tesla. It has an effect on most people, who aren't savvy, who don't read beyond the headline. (i've not participated in these alleged battles before)
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