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WordPress has left the building

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Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by buremba »

antidaily wrote: post #37
zalew wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Write spec, hire dev, build your own.

I can't think of a bigger waste of time. That is, unless you've somehow convinced a client to pay you to do it.

I suggest Drupal for huge projects but in many case Drupal is so advanced for creating a medium-sized project. For the beginning it may be hard but when you created your CMS or a CMS framework (I would prefer calling CMS framework for such a system), you will found it's incredibly flexible and easy (in many cases) to setup a new project as Drupal or any other CMS.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by nanodeath »

I'd like to respond to some things a number of people have commented on HN here...

1) Wordpress might seem like just a blogging engine, but this is not how the WP developers see it -- on the Wordpress .org About page, it's described as "[Wordpress] has evolved to be used as full content management system" (sic). So they expect people to use it as a CMS. 2) Plone, unless you have a lot of technical chops, is a nightmare to use and maintain. My SO had one set up for her non-profit less than a year ago and they've had so many problems with memory, weird WYSIWIG bugs/behavior (stripping all sorts of tags, including nobr, for one), confusing configuration, costly and/or poor quality plugins, frequent need to modify source, etc that they're looking to move off it ASAP. So I wouldn't recommend it if you're setting up an instance for non-technical folk.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by datums »

why have a tester work on a beta version? It's free software labelled Beta , it doesn't load on IE x , this happens. If it was released as stable, then there's a reason. You wouldn't be deploying the beta version to your clients anyway. But here is the point. You are running a for profit business, use a tool that fits the needs of your clients and the skill set of your staff. Have it built. WordPress doesn't have the features you need, things you want are not on the roadmap, and it's buggy. Why didn't you switch away earlier ?

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by smacktoward »

beza1e1 wrote: post #48
smacktoward wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with CMSes that have "all the features you want" is that they have so many features that the average user who just needs to plonk some content down on a page and periodically edit it can't wade through all the features to figure out how to do that. (I don't say this to pick on Plone -- I'm a big fan of the TYPO3[1] CMS, for instance, which does lots of the things that he mentions very well, but the downsi…

A few years ago i recommended website baker as a nice simple CMS, which is also hackable if necessary. That was three years ago. Maybe the situation has changed, but i would never recommend a complexity-monster like Typo3. Typo3 is "enterprisy" in the negative sense. http://www.websitebaker2.org

Don't be too hard on TYPO3, it has its virtues. For instance, it has the most elegant handling of multilingual content I've ever found in fifteen years of working with CMSes. But for a small single-language site (i.e. 99% of the sites people develop) it's definitely overkill.

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Post by [deleted] »

JTxt wrote: post #24
hm2k wrote: post #4

What's the alternative?

Drupal. (Although it has it share of cons too, it can do many of the items on the list. Some require coercing, but doable.) edit, in progress: - Document management- No, not Word, Excel files etc. but can do revisions/diffs on site content, and manage files to some degree. - Workflow management- http://drupal.org/project/workflow - Digital asset management- http://drupal.org/project/media - Link management - http://d…

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Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by crikli »

WordPress wasn't ever in the building. Or at least it wasn't in the building the author wanted it to be.

Lots of folks have tried to force Wordpress to be more than a blog platform. I've always seen these efforts in the same light as when guys dumps tons of money and time squeezing horsepower of a Honda Civic: end of the day, it's still a Civic that get its lunch eaten by a stock 'Vette.

Look, you just don't get power and flexibility in the same package as intuitive and simple. The best you can do is cut one to boost another. Take iOS. Intuitive as hell. Flexible as a piece of rebar.

Drupal's been mentioned in other comments. It's crazy powerful and very flexible... it's the Corvette to the hopped up Civic that is Wordpress. It's also hard to learn, the interface can be...challenging and the plumbing is complex.

Edit: Downvote me if you must but at least communicate why...did you build a 11 second Civic or something? ;)

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by robertp »

saltcod wrote: post #22

After about 10 minutes with Plone, a few months with Joomla, about 2 years with Drupal, and finally 3 years with WordPress, I think WordPress is still a brilliant solution for lots of problems. The closest competitor, Drupal, is an absolute nightmare. For designers, developers and certainly for the end user. It still doesn't even ship with a wysiwyg editor—hard to disagree that this is precisely what the end user wan…

Agreed. Before Automattic hired an in-house ui/ux person the admin interface was pretty rough and not pleasant to look at and reasonably okay to use. Moving forward from 3.0 the admin interface should still about the same with incremental refinements.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by kels »

calloc wrote: post #28
amuraru wrote: post #17

Then the author should migrate his own blog from WP.

Why? Just because he is no longer using it for business purposes doesn't mean it isn't still perfect for what it was designed to do, blogging.

I think he means if you are going to hate, hate on it all the way.
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