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WordPress has left the building

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Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by kanamekun »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #6

Wait so he's complaining that a free piece of software that is designed to "create a beautiful website or blog" (from Wordpress.org) doesn't cut it as a high powered CMS? I think if we're honest, wordpress is a blogging platform and if you try to deform it into your own little niche needs, you need to accept the inherent risks.

The post mentions that the issues extend into WordPress' regular redesigns of the admin interface, and their consistent lack of solid testing:

"This would actually be a much smaller issue if it wasn’t for the WordPress’ update schedule. I am 100% for constant updating of software, but the current desire to redesign the AdminUI 2-3 times a year creates a huge amount of friction from both clients and developers."

"Kev, they released a BETA version that they didn’t even load on Windows. The MENU didn’t work. Not some advanced feature throwing a bug, the fucking MENU didn’t work. I can’t test our themes and software against that. Lets be honest mate, how did it get past their tester and release procedure? Oh, thats right, they dont have a Tester. They just load it on their MacBooks and presume it works for the other 95% of the world. It’s a fucking shambles, and clearly they’ve learnt nothing since the 3.0 fuck-up."

I work with WordPress a lot, and have regularly had similar issues. Even as a blogging platform, WordPress is increasingly difficult to manage.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by tstegart »

unavoidable wrote: post #8

This guy seems to be arguing that Wordpress should turn into a Drupal-like app, which it was never designed to do. Although I am also guilty of using WP for CMS on some simple sites, this is mostly due to convenience of installation and (mostly) ease of use for clients. I don't think most developers who use WordPress seriously consider it a "professional" CMS solution. On the other hand, the alternatives kind of suck…

The font size seems fine to me (Windows Vista, Firefox). The lack of an apostrophe in the last word, however, is killing me.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by ddw »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #6

Wait so he's complaining that a free piece of software that is designed to "create a beautiful website or blog" (from Wordpress.org) doesn't cut it as a high powered CMS? I think if we're honest, wordpress is a blogging platform and if you try to deform it into your own little niche needs, you need to accept the inherent risks.

Exactly. I don't keep up with Wordpress too much, but my perception is that you should go with something like Drupal (or other proprietary options) if you want a platform fully capable of being a CMS.

That said, any CMS will struggle with the challenges that he lists. It's not some sort of magical entity where you turn it on and it's perfect.

I feel bad for his clients...

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by mattmanser »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #6

Wait so he's complaining that a free piece of software that is designed to "create a beautiful website or blog" (from Wordpress.org) doesn't cut it as a high powered CMS? I think if we're honest, wordpress is a blogging platform and if you try to deform it into your own little niche needs, you need to accept the inherent risks.

Some of the stuff he was listing also sounds like his clients want a CRM, something like Salesforce, Dynamics or Basecamp.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by CPlatypus »

scotch_drinker wrote: post #6

Wait so he's complaining that a free piece of software that is designed to "create a beautiful website or blog" (from Wordpress.org) doesn't cut it as a high powered CMS? I think if we're honest, wordpress is a blogging platform and if you try to deform it into your own little niche needs, you need to accept the inherent risks.

My first inclination is to agree with you. The OP should never have used WordPress as a multi-tenant CMS in the first place. OTOH, he does raise some issues that affect WP use even in its original blogging context. I use WP, I like it, I don't have immediate plans to change, but if I ever personally hit a "this was obviously never tested" case like he did I'd probably change my mind pretty quickly.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by unavoidable »

tstegart wrote: post #12
unavoidable wrote: post #8

This guy seems to be arguing that Wordpress should turn into a Drupal-like app, which it was never designed to do. Although I am also guilty of using WP for CMS on some simple sites, this is mostly due to convenience of installation and (mostly) ease of use for clients. I don't think most developers who use WordPress seriously consider it a "professional" CMS solution. On the other hand, the alternatives kind of suck…

The font size seems fine to me (Windows Vista, Firefox). The lack of an apostrophe in the last word, however, is killing me.

For some reason the site is trying to fill my entire monitor even though I have my window using only half the screen (Chrome, OSX). The font size I'm seeing is 25px for the body text...

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by buro9 »

hanalei wrote: post #9
hm2k wrote: post #4

What's the alternative?

concrete5 cms is pretty decent.

You may well be right, but I think you should have disclosed your status in the concrete5 community and the fact that you've contributed code to concrete5 and created the blog app.

Mostly because as a first-time poster, no-one knows you here and it would be good to see some impartiality or at least a critical argument about what sets concrete5 apart in respect to addressing the concerns of the article.

Re: WordPress has left the building

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Post by FraaJad »

Time and again, people want to use a hacked up blogging engine as a CMS and lament that it is not working.

Use a CMS that's been around for more than decade which has all the features you want in a proper CMS (single sign on, WYSIWGY, multi-lingual support, a huge community of developers and service providers).

ie., Plone -- http://plone.org

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