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The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #28

It's actually a different problem than most people realize. What happens is that you have criminal assault and abuse being tolerated by adults and then blaming the victims. To try to understand, take the behavior of the "bullies" and imagine it is being done by adults. It really comes down to a lack of responsibility and accountability for managing the behavior of children in schools. Instead of dealing with children…

I'd offer that the problem is compounded (and actually really the root) by anti-social parents who are unable or unwilling to parent appropriately, then raising hell when teachers attempt to cajole the student into being pro-social

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Heh, decent timing. My last CBT session ended with me realising one of my issues may be a lasting effect of bullying.

Essentially I was trying to find out why I procrastinate, beyond "it's just the ADHD lol"

Boiled it down and down and down until we hit the core of the issue and realised I don't want to poke my head up and ship code/sites/ideas/etc because I believe I'll be bullied for it. In school doing anything that lifted you up (e.g. good grades) made you a target.

The realisation was that that will probably not to happen now. If I do something exceptional at 34 I probably wont be bullied by my peers (or heck, even if I actually was bullied for it.. who cares lol, my peers don't understand the market I work in)

I'd never reevaluated the internalised rule "If I excel, I will be bullied" until the other day.

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On a slightly more positive spin the whole thing made me quite sensitive to deception. If someone is trying to deceive or manipulate me my subconscious might as well be flashing up a Metal Gear Solid exclaim noise for how obvious it seems.

MGS Exclaim for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbeEO58Hlfo

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

#53
post #36

Being rather contrary here, but is there any evidence that bullying actually improves some people's lives? As a victim of childhood bullying, the experience was awful, but I learned a thing or two as well.

I doubt there is any more upside to bullying than there is to any other bad experience that teaches healthy skepticism.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #38

I was bullied pretty severely as a kid. So bad in fact I was put on medication just to deal with it. I was a weaker kid when I was younger owing to the fact I was sick a lot. In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped. I would fight at a moments notice even sometimes in classroom…

> keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge I've seen some of this in our local schools: meetings held with the head teacher to "hear both sides" when one side is a bully asserting their right to bully the other side. > kids in an actual martial art I had this idea, based on my experience as a kid, but never actually got around to enrolling them. They're in college now and so I guess it wasn't necessary.

> I've seen some of this in our local schools: meetings held with the head teacher to "hear both sides" when one side is a bully asserting their right to bully the other side.

This is endemic in modern culture. The need to treat two opposing opinions as equally valid and balance them against each other as if there's some sane middle-ground to be found. There's no middle-ground between slavery and non-slavery. Or between the earth is flat and science.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #36

Being rather contrary here, but is there any evidence that bullying actually improves some people's lives? As a victim of childhood bullying, the experience was awful, but I learned a thing or two as well.

My experience gave me tenacity and resilience.

My experience was not as bad as some others on this list. I believe that is because girls are psychological bullies, and boys are physical bullies. My husband was chased and beaten up until he the beat up the lead bully.

I met my lead bully as an adult. I was surprised to find out that she did not realize she was a bully. She acted as if we were childhood friends. One of her friends apologized to me, so others certainly realized.

Her life did not go as well as my life. I suspect it was because the traits that made her a bully as a child did not work for her as an adult.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

#56
post #38

I was bullied pretty severely as a kid. So bad in fact I was put on medication just to deal with it. I was a weaker kid when I was younger owing to the fact I was sick a lot. In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped. I would fight at a moments notice even sometimes in classroom…

I think you go a bit far, but I agree somewhat.

I was picked on a fair bit in school. The nature of "zero-tolerance" meant that fights were quick. I recall one day just being shoved into a a door threshold unexpectedly. I had had it at that point from this person, so I took my heaviest book out of my bag and slammed him in the head with it as he was already walking away triumphantly. Looking back, he could have been seriously injured. Many people witnesses and laughed at him.

He never bothered me again.

But how can you know someone will leave you alone or just escalate things?

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

#57
post #22

"School is the only place where modern humans will experience violence".

why is that exactly, there is some weird purification/concentration of social things that only happen at school. Is it the spike of age cohorts (+/-6mo) all thrown together without any regulating factors that would occur with older wiser children (say +6 years) being able to correct the misbehaving individuals? Is it a factor of the sheer outnumbering encountered from high student to adult ratios? Is bullying less li…

If an adult attacks someone they can go to jail or at the minimum are arrested for assault. In school the consequences are much less serious

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #38

I was bullied pretty severely as a kid. So bad in fact I was put on medication just to deal with it. I was a weaker kid when I was younger owing to the fact I was sick a lot. In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped. I would fight at a moments notice even sometimes in classroom…

> In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped.

Exactly my experience as well. Fighting back is the only thing that ever made the bullying stop. I fought back once in the locker room against a boy two years and two feet older and taller than me, basically lost the fight immediately, but because I fought and wouldn't submit, everybody else stopped the fight and after that day I was never bullied in school again.

The reason I never fought back sooner is because I was scared of the rules even more than the bullies. The "Zero tolerance" rules made clear that if I fought back I would be just as bad as the bullies, and in just as much trouble (except I'd actually be in more trouble, because my parents would be livid at me for getting suspended while the bullies' parents wouldn't give a shit.) "Zero tolerance" means zero due process. It's the school administrators essentially siding with bullies by default because it makes the paperwork easier. Absolutely immoral. It should be their responsibility to figure out who actually started the fight and punish the perpetrator but not the victim.

In the end I didn't get in trouble after all, because locker room fights were beyond the eyes of adults and nobody ratted anybody out. I resent the teachers and the administration the most, for making me afraid to stick up for myself. The kids who bullied me were psychos or broken people, and I find it easy to forgive them. But the administration did harm to me by being lazy bureaucrats.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #38

I was bullied pretty severely as a kid. So bad in fact I was put on medication just to deal with it. I was a weaker kid when I was younger owing to the fact I was sick a lot. In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped. I would fight at a moments notice even sometimes in classroom…

Attaching glowing review and positive outcome to a violent action in childhood is dangerous (though it did serve you, yes). The reason is obvious: it can lead to being drawn to situations likely to lead to the same result and praise.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #36

Being rather contrary here, but is there any evidence that bullying actually improves some people's lives? As a victim of childhood bullying, the experience was awful, but I learned a thing or two as well.

Builds character.

For everyone and are all the traits that it builds positive?
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