I attended high school in a not-well-known country (Nigeria) and the amount of bullying I witnessed was unfathomable. I’m talking outright beatings from seniors, and it was legalized (reporting to the school authorities will get you more beatings). I transferred from a chill private school to a public school because, well, my Dad wanted me to have some “experience”…needless to say, the experience I got was that even…
The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
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Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
#32“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evol…
I disagree. They are not suggesting that the interventions specifically target the victims.
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#33This reminds me that I should write down the experiences I remember as a child, including being chased over three miles by half a dozen kids. I finally crossed into an older woman’s yard, she recognized what was happening and asked me inside. I’ll never forget the beautiful polar bear rug in her living room. She got her keys and drove me home. Lucky for me I sprouted between elementary and junior high, I also got mea…
This illustrates the core problem: victim blaming.
Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
#34> "Bullying, a form of peer victimisation, can take place between children, between adolescents or between adults. It is not bullying when a parent or a teacher is abusive towards a child. While the terms peer victimisation and bullying are often used interchangeably, peer victimisation is not equivalent to bullying. For example, it is not bullying when two people of about the same strength quarrel or fight, but it is peer victimisation. An especially important feature of bullying is the power imbalance between those who perpetrate bullying behaviours and their victims..."
The notion that parental or teacher abuse can't be called bullying is nonsensical, as it produces the same kind of behavior in children (fearful, submissive, avoidance, etc.). The general psychological concept is 'operant conditioning', essentially brainwashing by authority figures enforced by violence, humiliation, and so on. It's a key feature of all authoritarian systems. There's little doubt that schoolyard bullies are merely aping the behavior of adult authoritarian figures:
https://www.thoughtco.com/operant-conditioning-definition-ex...
The best literature on bullying (and also a criticism of the British school system) IMO is "Lord of the Flies" (William Golding, 1954). Note it was not a critique of so-called 'human nature' in general but of a particular societal construct.
https://crookedtimber.org/2019/11/07/englands-ruling-patholo...
> "Virginia Woolf drew a very clear line between the brutalisation of little boys in a loveless environment and their assumption as adults into the brutal institutions of colonialism. It’s long been clear to many that the UK is ruled by many people who think their damage is a strength, and who seek to perpetuate it."
People are often reluctant to discuss this, because it exposes the fact that "free Western democracies" employ these authoritarian tactics (perhaps with heavier emphasis on psychological control vs. physical control) just as often as communist or theocratic states do.
Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
A number of military personal might beg to differ with you. But I'm willing to hear justification for your comment.
Only in the military? Wouldn't it be easier to steelman the argument by inserting the missing "most"?
Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
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#37I was bullied both in school and by my own father (who has Asperger's and a mean streak of narcissism) growing up - definitely suffering the long-term and forever consequences in my life because of it. Low self-esteem, no confidence in myself, can't talk to anybody without second guessing everything. I'm trying to pull myself out of the slump but after living on my own for 3 years I still have troubles with relations…
Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
#38In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped. I would fight at a moments notice even sometimes in classrooms. Spent a lot of time suspended and my parents had conferences. I never lashed out at anyone. Though if someone tried to insult me, push me around, etc I would immediately switch modes and start swinging. As I got bigger and stronger it became less of an attack of weak punches to full blown knockouts.
The only way we can solve bullying is by teaching our kids that violence is not only necessary but expected. Teach them to be violent, and teach them to control it. You must defend yourself from these people. Enrolling your kids in an actual martial art (some combination of boxing, bjj, muay thai, etc) will help. When they break a bullies nose/arm/etc and get suspended you should not only encourage them to continue you should celebrate the victory. You can't win with bullies by "being the better person". Bullies aren't beat enough at home, so it's your job to bring the beatings to them. School systems are DESIGNED to protect bullies and subjugate the bullied. In America, they are prisons. The sooner children realize this the sooner they realize the methods to staying alive aren't much different.
"If you are not capable of violence you are not peaceful, you are harmless."
Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
#39Being rather contrary here, but is there any evidence that bullying actually improves some people's lives? As a victim of childhood bullying, the experience was awful, but I learned a thing or two as well.
Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence
#40I was bullied pretty severely as a kid. So bad in fact I was put on medication just to deal with it. I was a weaker kid when I was younger owing to the fact I was sick a lot. In America there is a concept of "zero tolerance" that keeps the bullied compliant and the bullies in charge. It was not until I started to get very violent that the bullying stopped. I would fight at a moments notice even sometimes in classroom…