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The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by boeingUH60 »

I attended high school in a not-well-known country (Nigeria) and the amount of bullying I witnessed was unfathomable. I’m talking outright beatings from seniors, and it was legalized (reporting to the school authorities will get you more beatings).

I transferred from a chill private school to a public school because, well, my Dad wanted me to have some “experience”…needless to say, the experience I got was that even teens can be extremely cruel to each other…the funny part is that most people here see it as normal and laugh about it, like they don’t realize they’re living the equivalent of a wild animal farm…but for some reason, I got over the horrific bullying real quick…or maybe I’m scarred and don’t know it.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by jxramos »

oifjsidjf wrote: post #6

"School is the only place where modern humans will experience violence".

why is that exactly, there is some weird purification/concentration of social things that only happen at school. Is it the spike of age cohorts (+/-6mo) all thrown together without any regulating factors that would occur with older wiser children (say +6 years) being able to correct the misbehaving individuals? Is it a factor of the sheer outnumbering encountered from high student to adult ratios? Is bullying less likely to occur when the adult count increases?

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by pegasus »

SapporoChris wrote: post #14
oifjsidjf wrote: post #6

"School is the only place where modern humans will experience violence".

A number of military personal might beg to differ with you. But I'm willing to hear justification for your comment.

Only in the military? Wouldn't it be easier to steelman the argument by inserting the missing "most"?

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by spicyramen_ »

I used to help classmates that were bullied by defending them either by stopping other kids hitting them or hurting them verbally. Kids can be evil. Some people are unaware what can cause to other peoples lives. Now I have 2 boys, I teach them how to box and good manners. Reality is that they can face bullies and they should be ready to engage in physical fight, words sometimes don't matter

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by roel_v »

aurizon wrote: post #4

One of the huge problems in schools, as well as in cyberspace is bullying in social ostracism (shunning etc) as well as beating. It trains people to 'shed water' in their actions. Surrender to bullies, yield to their demands and otherwise 'toady' to them. Anyone who objects or fights back feels the weight of the online or schoolyard pack members. This is, I feel, exacerbated by the relentless increase in the cost of…

Lord of the Flies was fiction though, not only that, it was bullshit. when it happened in reality, the exact opposite of the book happened: https://medium.com/illumination-curated/real-life-lord-of-th... .

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by lukas099 »

civopsec wrote: post #13
HPsquared wrote: post #7

Reminder that this study is only showing a correlation. It could also be the well-known effect that "weaker" (physically or mentally) people are more likely to be bullied. The way to test causation is to have a "control" group with normal environmental bullying levels, and a second group which is otherwise identical to the first, randomly targeted by the scientists for extra bullying. This would of course be unethica…

> It could also be the well-known effect that "weaker" (physically or mentally) people are more likely to be bullied. Dang, I was going to post this suggestion as a joke (because “proof that weak people deserve it”—get it?).

I don't think anyone said anything about 'deserving it'.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by hristov »

2devnull wrote: post #2

“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evol…

Bullying as social correction is a very bad type of social correction. This way the social correction is done by the dumbest and most violent members of society in order to conform society to their vision. And then society grows up to become dumb and violent. Well lets not kid ourselves, this is exactly what has been happening in human history, and that why humanity continues to be mired in suffering and conflict and is intentionally destroying its environment. But this is something we have to change. Social correction should be done by trained adults that know exactly which traits are bad and to be corrected.

I think when the article says "that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying" they refer to more health based intervention. Such as helping kids to be healthy and not malnourished, or overweight from eating bad food.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by ilaksh »

It's actually a different problem than most people realize. What happens is that you have criminal assault and abuse being tolerated by adults and then blaming the victims. To try to understand, take the behavior of the "bullies" and imagine it is being done by adults.

It really comes down to a lack of responsibility and accountability for managing the behavior of children in schools. Instead of dealing with children who are totally out of control, they blame the victims and compartmentalize the assaults as being somehow different since they involve children.

These assaults are actually even more critical to address in childhood because as they are allowed to form patterns that persist in criminal assaults and fraud in adulthood.

This type of failure is one reason that we don't truly have a civil society. There is this facade of order, but really at the heart it's just the animal kingdom. There is some aspiration by those with the responsibility, but on average the teachers etc. have little real resolve, courage, or capability to actually deal with the broken and dangerous children that are common in schools. So they blame the victims.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Post by gatane »

aurizon wrote: post #4

One of the huge problems in schools, as well as in cyberspace is bullying in social ostracism (shunning etc) as well as beating. It trains people to 'shed water' in their actions. Surrender to bullies, yield to their demands and otherwise 'toady' to them. Anyone who objects or fights back feels the weight of the online or schoolyard pack members. This is, I feel, exacerbated by the relentless increase in the cost of…

You have 40 or more kids on a room, all day. What could go wrong?

Welcome to the school system.

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