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Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by eps »

sandstrom wrote: post #25

Probably preparations due to the upcoming EU framework. As a short summary, here are some of the new EU requirements on gatekeepers such as Apple. Gatekeepers must: - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. - Allow developers to offer third-party payment systems in apps and promote offers outside the gatekeeper's platforms. - Allow developers to integrate their…

> - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet.

Any provisions to allow sideloading unsigned apps?

Because if you can sideload, but it still needs to be signed by Apple, the whole thing is largely moot.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by wyager »

root_axis wrote: post #48
zaptrem wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it t…

Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by cassianoleal »

eps wrote: post #51
sandstrom wrote: post #25

Probably preparations due to the upcoming EU framework. As a short summary, here are some of the new EU requirements on gatekeepers such as Apple. Gatekeepers must: - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. - Allow developers to offer third-party payment systems in apps and promote offers outside the gatekeeper's platforms. - Allow developers to integrate their…

> - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. Any provisions to allow sideloading unsigned apps? Because if you can sideload, but it still needs to be signed by Apple, the whole thing is largely moot.

Not entirely moot. This would be more or less equivalent to macOS's "Allow apps downloaded from App Store and identified developers". This allows people to publish software without abiding by the App Store's rules and review process, as well as the 30% cut on sales.

Perhaps it doesn't go as far as you'd like but it's not moot either.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by root_axis »

wyager wrote: post #52
root_axis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.

You're suggesting the government would distribute their vaccine passport app exclusively through Meta? Why would they do that?

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by stefan_ »

reaperducer wrote: post #42
donmcronald wrote: post #35

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Alternatively we may end up with better app stores with far less malware and trash. As much as apple enthusiasts like to claim the app store is as good as it can get, there's a ton of room for improvement IMO. Just getting rid of the games that prey on children and addiction would be a good start.

It sounds like you envision a world of many different walled gardens, instead of the single Apple-policed walled garden. I can see how that would be attractive in some ways. On the other hand, parent's aren't necessarily smarter than anyone else. "Install this rando app store and get 12¢ off your next gas fill-up!"

Remember Facebook offering people a few bucks to MITM their entire phone? Oh wait, that was on the official App store! And they didn't even ban them!

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by jefftk »

wyager wrote: post #52
root_axis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you download the Meta App store to begin with?

Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.

Very happy to bet against you on that ;) Android has multiple app stores, but the kind of app you're describing doesn't require installing an alternative one.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by jefftk »

GeekyBear wrote: post #38
donmcronald wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively we may end up with better app stores with far less malware and trash. As much as apple enthusiasts like to claim the app store is as good as it can get, there's a ton of room for improvement IMO. Just getting rid of the games that prey on children and addiction would be a good start.

It's about 100% more likely that it's going lead to every company that chafes under Apple's current "you have to ask permission before you can do that" rules to begin to only offer their apps outside the App Store. Remember the original Android permission model of "an app gets every permission it wants or you can't install it"? That's where this is heading.

I would think a permissions model is something that Apple would still be able to design and enforce through their control of the operating system?

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by idontpost »

root_axis wrote: post #54
wyager wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the next time there's a virus going around, they're going to put the vaccine passport app you need to go to the store or take a train in the Meta app store.

You're suggesting the government would distribute their vaccine passport app exclusively through Meta? Why would they do that?

Corruption.

It's still a nonsensical fear, but that would be the reason.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by jefftk »

dawiddr wrote: post #24

Apple Pay has been supported in WebKit’s web view (which every browser uses) for a while now, but with some conditions. The biggest obstacle was that an app couldn’t inject any JavaScript code of its own into websites. I wonder if they removed this safeguard.

They must have removed that: if you're building your own browser you definitely want to be able to inject JavaScript code, because one of your few options for differentiating yourself on iOS is supporting browser features that Apple hasn't prioritized implementing yet. Both Chrome and Firefox do this by injecting polyfills.
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