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If it is truly commoner than most think, wouldnt acceptance of it become common eventually?

Unlikely from an evolutionary perspective. Those males who are psychologically ok with cuckolding will eventually fail to pass on their DNA, whereas those who have a strong aversion to it will be more likely to pass on their DNA. Being ok with expending your limited time and resources raising unrelated offspring is a self terminating trait.

I disagree. Memes (as in, the culture/personal worldview that can be passed on to descendants) are an equally interested angle of looking at this situation. While the genetics lost this battle, the father's meme is still passed on to the offspring, even if such offspring isn't biological.

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> Being ok with expending your limited time and resources raising unrelated offspring is a self terminating trait. I don't know about that. I know at least one family that has six children, two of whom are adopted. That's somewhat rare, but not totally unique.

Still applies here in my opinion. This family you know had 33% fewer biological children than they could have had. That means their DNA will be ever so slightly overwhelmed by families with the same desire and capacity for children who chose to have 100% biological offspring. Having said that, there certainly is some debate on whether genes are actually greater than memes when it comes to this kind of psychology. It…

>This family you know had 33% fewer biological children than they could have had.

That's not necessarily true. It's possible - likely, even - that they adopted their last two because there would be issues conceiving a fifth. (Having a C-section limits the number of children a woman can have, for example - as does simply being above a certain age)

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#53
In 2020 I found out (through 23andme) that I had a half brother and another biological father. It was an extremely surreal experience. I can understand where the author is coming from for sure.

It did give me a completely different perspective on things. My bio-dad apparently had an awful life as an alcoholic, deep in constant poverty. He had a troubled relationship with my half-siblings and in general it sounds like I missed a bullet lol

It made me appreciate my father a lot more. We had a lot of issues, and he was pretty neglectful… but it could have been much worse! I’m much nicer to him these days ;P

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Can you explain that in more detail? Because I don't understand it at all. If somehow it turned out I have other children, I'd love to know how they're doing and if they're similar to me or my kid. A personal data point on the nature vs nurture debate! I can understand not wanting additional financial responsibilities - but that can't be the worry here, the author is in her 30s.

Some people don't want to accept that the story of their life is not what they think it is

Others, like me, just don't care.

I'm come with a feature of skipping all the other stages, straight from news to acceptance. Let other people have denial, bargain, anger, etc.

I'm more like "huh, how about that, humans have a track record of doing things like that or being involved in things like that"

If I found out I had a different parent, or a different sibling, I've already acknowledged the possibility of this. It happens. Now, we've all even read this article, now we all know "it happens". Meh. Moving on. Nice parlor talk if I want to shake up a conversation.

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post #41

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Can you explain that in more detail? Because I don't understand it at all. If somehow it turned out I have other children, I'd love to know how they're doing and if they're similar to me or my kid. A personal data point on the nature vs nurture debate! I can understand not wanting additional financial responsibilities - but that can't be the worry here, the author is in her 30s.

I think people with families can be incredibly protective of it and anything that may create emotional upheaval in it. If I were in his situation, I'd be thinking more about how this might impact my wife or children. Depending on upbringing and religion, I can see it being immensely traumatic for the rest of the family. I'd care more about protecting that stability than satisfying my or my donor child's curiosity. Yo…

I'm still not grokking the trauma. It's a cliche, but impregnating someone doesn't make you a parent, in the sense that's relevant to your comment. It's investing the time, attention, emotional and financial resources that grants one that status.

If I learned that my dad was not actually traveling on business but instead tending to his alternate family, that would be sad. If I learned that he had biological offspring that he had no material (otherwise) connection with/to, I'd simply shrug.

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This is so incredibly sad. At this point in my life, I empathize with the involuntary donor quite a bit. While the author might not understand his position not wanting her to have any contact with him or his family, I certainly do. It's clear this doctor has a pattern of deceptive behavior beyond merely his practice. It's also clear that if one doctor does it, someone else has or will. I wonder how the medical board…

Can you explain that in more detail? Because I don't understand it at all. If somehow it turned out I have other children, I'd love to know how they're doing and if they're similar to me or my kid. A personal data point on the nature vs nurture debate! I can understand not wanting additional financial responsibilities - but that can't be the worry here, the author is in her 30s.

Depending on scope and location, there could still be the issue of inheritance.

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Through at-home DNA testing, I found out at the age of 29 that I was donor conceived. It was shocking to see my DNA relatives list be populated with 12 people to whom I shared about 25% of my DNA with that I had no idea existed just minutes before. It has been a roller coaster ever since with new half siblings popping up frequently and essentially having to onboard them to the family.

My biological father was open to any sort of relationship his donor offspring wanted, having no kids of his own. His parents and extended family also welcomed us very warmly. Unfortunately he actually passed away due to a freak accident before I even spat in the tube, robbing me of any opportunity to meet him. In a way however, I was very lucky. A non trivial number of people reaching out to their newly found bio parent are met with being ignored, blocked, or even cease and desist letters. It makes me legitimately sad for those who have a living bio parent but this person has no interest in any sort of relationship or even trivial contact. Knowing they are out there for the time but the day will come that they will no longer be.

It has been an isolating experience. The parents that donor kids grow up with were often told to never tell their kid, and even when/if their kid finds out, they typically attempt to keep them from telling anyone else. Then to be rejected by someone to whom you share half your DNA with, the half that has become a blank line on the medical questionnaire of your family’s medical history or just the simple question of why you don’t look much like the rest of your family, is just adding insult to physiological injury. The fertility industry peddled lies about anonymity despite knowing exactly how DNA works, that the offspring created will exist with half of the donors DNA in literally every cell of their body. I do not have a lot of sympathy for donors who were unpleasantly surprised that the consequence of donating gametes resulted in offspring and that eventually technology would enable deanonymization.

I’ve personally found a lot of comfort in my brothers and sisters that share the same donor as we are in the same boat. We are all eerily identical in our mannerisms, humor, values, and even choice in partner. But along with this comfort also exists lingering sadness that these people you just recently met, have come to really consider family, and genuinely become fond of, will never have shared growing up together and all the experiences this comes with. There is a podcast called “You look like me” that explores the experiences of Donor Conceived people, that has an episode titled “Memories missed” which very succinctly describes this sadness in those two words. In addition, forging and maintaining relationships as an adult is hard and it takes a lot of work to stay close. To top it all off, the fact that your original family expect you to stay quiet about literally half of yourself, leaves this comfort very bittersweet. It has been a few years since I found out and it really has changed my life and relationship with my parents forever. I have thought about this every day since, and it weighs on me more and more each day.

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I'm not even remotely in the author's situation, but who hasn't sometimes resented some aspect of how they came to be? To which my own response is always "but that's what produced me! If anything had gone differently in even the minutest way (like which of those wiggly things wins the race) I wouldn't be here! Someone else would be. Case closed.

I know the odds that I exist are incredibly remote, and so am happy it happened and I'm alive.

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#59
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23andMe and similar services, though creepy to a degree to have your genetic information linked and profiled, have spawned a minor industry of social and familial alignment. Half-siblings and half-aunts/uncles are being found to be more common than people realized. The convergence of technology and society is fascinating. This was an interested read on the mispractice of a fertility doctor.

The Neandertal genes in me explain a lot. The Orangutan genes, however, are a puzzler.

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#60

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Can you explain that in more detail? Because I don't understand it at all. If somehow it turned out I have other children, I'd love to know how they're doing and if they're similar to me or my kid. A personal data point on the nature vs nurture debate! I can understand not wanting additional financial responsibilities - but that can't be the worry here, the author is in her 30s.

Depending on scope and location, there could still be the issue of inheritance.

In any place where fertility treatments include using donor sperm or eggs, this is a non-issue. Legally, your parents are the people written on your birth certificate.
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