As always German laws are a mess and they want to bend freedom. Anyway change to signal it was always the superior option.
Signal is just another centralized walled garden. Expect the same happening there.
Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
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#52As always German laws are a mess and they want to bend freedom. Anyway change to signal it was always the superior option.
Exactly. A superior option for all the terrorists, extremists and hitmen which many of them are all signing up to and socialising on.
Given that MobileCoin is a new way for them to fund their operations without a trace, it's sound very attractive for these extremists to stay underground without exposing themselves due to Signal's E2EE than Telegram. Also, no censorship on Signal, so it is a free for all without the consequences.
Best part is, MobileCoin is just about to be a great pump and dump ponzi once they officially launch on Signal. Great value proposition for criminals and speculators.
Re: Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
#53Why do the German people allow their government to do this kind of stuff? Do they want it?
Do the people of your country have great control over what their government does and have the legal right to remove them when they are unhappy? What country is that, i wanna move there :)
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#54As always German laws are a mess and they want to bend freedom. Anyway change to signal it was always the superior option.
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A lot of it is about banning Nazis. What do you think?
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That's pretty "no true Scottsman". Some of the Ottawa protesters are waving swastika flags. If it walks like a duck and waves duck flags.
Sources citing the presence of swastika flags, (linking multiple because a couple are paywalled): https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/world/canada/ottawa-truck... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/thousands-protest-covid... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ottawa-covid-trucker-prot...
Re: Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
#56Why do the German people allow their government to do this kind of stuff? Do they want it?
I think largely the whole world, as well as the German people, benefit from preventing a resurgence of Nazism there.
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Telegram does not have any meaningful e2e encryption (apart from 1-1 on-demand stuff nobody uses). So yes, everything is visible to Telegram.
I don’t quite understand what the point of telegram is then? Is the only benefit it isn’t owned by Facebook?
There is no point in end to end encryption in public channels, so this specific criticism is not valid.
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I mean if Telegram doesn't have a business in Germany, why should they care what laws Germany passes? Porn sites are probably against the law in Saudi Arabia, but why is that Pornhubs problem?
If you want to do business in a country you usually have to follow the laws of the country. If you are not following these laws and you get booted out of their respective markets you can't cry censorship it's that easy.
You can definitely cry censorship. Having a government process of censorship doesn't mean you can insist it's not censorship. Plenty of government groups responsible for censoring have the word "censor" in the name.
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If you want to do business in a country you usually have to follow the laws of the country. If you are not following these laws and you get booted out of their respective markets you can't cry censorship it's that easy.
Sure you can, and it is censorship if a country is banning your platform for not censoring public discourse. That is exactly what is happening here. It would be like liberals in the US blocking Telegram nationwide for allowing anti-mandate discussion and then saying the reason has not nothing to do with censorship.
This isn't about "anti-mandate" discussion, it's about blocking the channel of someone (Avocadolf) who's got an open arrest warrant for inciting hatred and denying the holocaust as well as death threats to politicians (actual threats, not just dancing around the issue). I believe death threats are illegal even in the US.