Why do the German people allow their government to do this kind of stuff? Do they want it?
A lot of it is about banning Nazis. What do you think?
Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
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Probably makes sense. I'm not super familiar with Telegram, but to know a channel is doing stuff that's against German law probably means that someone with access to the channel reported it to authorities. Germany is also one of those countries that blanket bans particular groups/parties in general, which the US didn't really do until after 9/11. Banning a group chat isn't much different.
> Probably makes sense. I'm not super familiar with Telegram, but to know a channel is doing stuff that's against German law probably means that someone with access to the channel reported it to authorities. Avocadolf's channels are public, you could access them on the Telegram web UI even without an account. The German government has tried to get the channel shut down for months now, after Hildmann fled the country…
The challenge with Telegram is that it has server costs, but it has no income cash flow. They're experimenting. But overall its 100% investment money. And so if they cannot be tried criminally, there's no business loss if they can't take German cash. This is obviously an issue with Facebook who cares about cash quite a bit, or Reddit, or whatever. But not Telegram.
So yeah.
My guess is that at this point Germany is saying that this could fall into the criminal side of things, at which point Telegram would care.
Re: Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
#23Can't read German, but I'm going to assume the channels in question are full of neo-Nazis. If that's the case then this isn't anything particularly new; Germany's constitution explicitly denies freedom of speech to Nazis.
I don't find this particularly objectionable on it's own; Nazis and neo-Nazis never believed in free speech to begin with. However, we should still remain wary of false positives or scope creep beyond this narrow carve-out.
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I never used Telegram. How do channels work? Does Telegram has that kind of visibility into what is happening in them?
Telegram does not have any meaningful e2e encryption (apart from 1-1 on-demand stuff nobody uses). So yes, everything is visible to Telegram.
"(apart from 1-1 on-demand stuff nobody uses). "
It gets used. Because this secret chat does not save its history, it leaves no trace on the devive. So people who want to cheat on their partner, but know that their partner checks their mobile at times even installed telegram because of this feature (and they do not know what e2e means).
Surprisingly many people have this motivation. So many, that I know of persons who got problems with installing telegram, because their partner assumed - it was for this reason.
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#25Why do the German people allow their government to do this kind of stuff? Do they want it?
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#26Why do the German people allow their government to do this kind of stuff? Do they want it?
> Do they want it?
Does it matter? No mainstream party is going to legalize the Nazis again. At best they would look like they approve of nazis. Worst outcome is that nazis become political rivals.
Re: Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
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I never used Telegram. How do channels work? Does Telegram has that kind of visibility into what is happening in them?
Telegram does not have any meaningful e2e encryption (apart from 1-1 on-demand stuff nobody uses). So yes, everything is visible to Telegram.
I don’t quite understand what the point of telegram is then? Is the only benefit it isn’t owned by Facebook?
Re: Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably makes sense. I'm not super familiar with Telegram, but to know a channel is doing stuff that's against German law probably means that someone with access to the channel reported it to authorities. Germany is also one of those countries that blanket bans particular groups/parties in general, which the US didn't really do until after 9/11. Banning a group chat isn't much different.
> Probably makes sense. I'm not super familiar with Telegram, but to know a channel is doing stuff that's against German law probably means that someone with access to the channel reported it to authorities. Avocadolf's channels are public, you could access them on the Telegram web UI even without an account. The German government has tried to get the channel shut down for months now, after Hildmann fled the country…
I mean if Telegram doesn't have a business in Germany, why should they care what laws Germany passes?
Porn sites are probably against the law in Saudi Arabia, but why is that Pornhubs problem?
Re: Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Probably makes sense. I'm not super familiar with Telegram, but to know a channel is doing stuff that's against German law probably means that someone with access to the channel reported it to authorities. Avocadolf's channels are public, you could access them on the Telegram web UI even without an account. The German government has tried to get the channel shut down for months now, after Hildmann fled the country…
I mean if Telegram doesn't have a business in Germany, why should they care what laws Germany passes? Porn sites are probably against the law in Saudi Arabia, but why is that Pornhubs problem?
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#30Why do the German people allow their government to do this kind of stuff? Do they want it?
I think everyone was fine until some of the people who are against the Covid regulations started with comparing the vaccinations to the holocaust, wearing stars which resembled the "Judenstern" given out by the Nazis with the word "unvaccinated" on them to demontrations and alike.
You can do lots of crazy stuff and talk a lot of shit in Germany, but relavating the holocaust is off-bounds for good reason.