Telegram now censoring channels in Germany for “violating local laws”

Post by martin_a » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

kmeisthax wrote: post #23

Can't read German, but I'm going to assume the channels in question are full of neo-Nazis. If that's the case then this isn't anything particularly new; Germany's constitution explicitly denies freedom of speech to Nazis. I don't find this particularly objectionable on it's own; Nazis and neo-Nazis never believed in free speech to begin with. However, we should still remain wary of false positives or scope creep beyo…

Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

thgaFa wrote: post #33

colechristensen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of it is about banning Nazis. What do you think?

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Post by sascha_sl » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #38

kmeisthax wrote: post #23

Can't read German, but I'm going to assume the channels in question are full of neo-Nazis. If that's the case then this isn't anything particularly new; Germany's constitution explicitly denies freedom of speech to Nazis. I don't find this particularly objectionable on it's own; Nazis and neo-Nazis never believed in free speech to begin with. However, we should still remain wary of false positives or scope creep beyo…

"Germany's constitution explicitly denies freedom of speech to Nazis." Not exactly like this. You are allowed to speak your mind as a Nazi. You may say you are a Nazi and also say why you think they are superior etc. blablabla. You are not allowed, to wear certain symbols of NS times (swastika and co) and you are not allowed to deny that the holocaust happened and to glorify certain SS organisations.

    Whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace:

    incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them; or

    assaults the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning an aforementioned group, segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population, or defaming segments of the population,

    shall be liable to imprisonment from three months to five years.

Post by watwut » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

Hasnep wrote: post #31

jevoten wrote: post #9

Avoid censorship with this one weird trick: Print the information in a book, and put it in a library, or even on a school curriculum, if you can. If anyone tries to remove the book, then we are back to the dark ages of book banning or even burning. You know who else burned books, right? On the other hand, if the book is prevented from being published or stocked in the first place, if school or public libraries simply…

If you're referring to the recent books like Maus being removed from the school curriculum in America, they were banned for things like containing nudity and rude words. From what I can tell from the auto-translated version of the article, these Telegram posts were removed in Germany for breaking German law. Whether you think the German law is correct is a different issue.

Post by Canada » Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:25 PM UTC

mccorrinall wrote: post #14

GamerUncle wrote: post #7

As always German laws are a mess and they want to bend freedom. Anyway change to signal it was always the superior option.

Does signal have one-to-many communication? (like telegram channels)