New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

Post by walterbell » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 12:14 PM UTC

robbiep wrote: post #18

ageitgey wrote: post #15

This is a pretty non-controversial paper and doesn't contain anything shocking or previously unknown, but the title has the potential to cause controversy. Here's my quick summary: - Previous vaccines for HPV, Hepatitis B and Flu are known to (rarely) trigger or worsen autoimmune diseases such as Guillain-Barré syndrome. - Lots of new Covid vaccines have been created globally using a wide variety of technologies (mRN…

Nice summary - with apologies I’ll nitpick - I am not aware of VITTP from mRNA vaccines. (Edit - I dial this back - I see the piece in the paper where they mention the case series from mRNA vaccines) I think (I guess the audience of a scientific paper is more general a scientific audience) that it would be nice if there was at least a comparator paragraph to the risks of actual COVID disease. Molecular mimicry is to…

  1. Single ICD code
  2. Differential exposure misclassification
  3. No covariates (obesity?!)
  4. only included those seeking care + insured 

Post by yunohn » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 12:15 PM UTC

robbiep wrote: post #45

yunohn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that’s my doubt as well. Until we have more unbiased studies coming out, we can’t determine the impact of these side effects. The problem with pro-vaccine propaganda is that it tells you to blindly listen to the science. The problem with that is “the science” is controlled by commercial interests and profit margins. It’s like telling everyone democracy is the One True Way and we end up in last-stage capitalism.

Well - I’m not sure I have doubts but I remain open to the possibility. As a doctor and public health advocate I think the vaccines are miracles and have saved already millions of lives. Our society is already fundamentally changed by the damage wrought by the virus. There are over 140,000 ORPHANS that have been created by COVID in the last 2 years in the US alone [0]. The vaccine is safe and effective, if unfortunat…

Post by TrispusAttucks » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 12:16 PM UTC

alexmcc81 wrote: post #24

walterbell wrote: post #17

I wish we could have a disclaimer on every article/study about vaccine side effects, something like: "This is not an attack on vaccines, pharmaceutical interventions, associated stakeholders or policy makers. This is not a statistical assessment of risk for specific audiences. Please focus feedback and resources on specific treatments for the living human beings who have been injured. Even one in a million is of litt…

Thanks you for this thoughtful response. I chose to be vaccinated and unfortunately have suffered serious consequences like a very small number of other people will statistically. It's been pretty disheartening to see that sharing anything negative about vaccines, even those warned about by medical officials, leads to very negative reactions from people (being told to shut up, being censored/downvoted online etc). I…

Post by refurb » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 12:20 PM UTC

robbiep wrote: post #35

refurb wrote: post #29

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Ok, but if I get vaccines I’m exposed, but may not be exposed to Covid or at least a variant that causes an immune disorder.

You’re at a 30x (minimum) increased risk, as well as running a 0.5-2% chance of dying depending on your state of health. If you’re less than 18, you have a higher risk of type 1 OR type 2 diabetes. Anyone who willingly runs that risk in the light of a (let’s face it, extremely safe) alternative is making some sort of strange calculus that is not in any way rational

Post by yunohn » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 12:21 PM UTC

bsder wrote: post #33

ageitgey wrote: post #15

This is a pretty non-controversial paper and doesn't contain anything shocking or previously unknown, but the title has the potential to cause controversy. Here's my quick summary: - Previous vaccines for HPV, Hepatitis B and Flu are known to (rarely) trigger or worsen autoimmune diseases such as Guillain-Barré syndrome. - Lots of new Covid vaccines have been created globally using a wide variety of technologies (mRN…

The main problem I have with all these papers is that they don't compare to the rates of symptoms from having had Covid . A lot of the idiocy these kinds of papers cause would be muted if you could point at the paper and say "Probably of X from vaccine--N%. Probability of X from Covid--N+M%." Of course, if the probability of X is less than with Covid--that's important to know, as well. It defines which vaccines we sh…