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New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by yunohn »

ageitgey wrote: post #15

This is a pretty non-controversial paper and doesn't contain anything shocking or previously unknown, but the title has the potential to cause controversy. Here's my quick summary: - Previous vaccines for HPV, Hepatitis B and Flu are known to (rarely) trigger or worsen autoimmune diseases such as Guillain-Barré syndrome. - Lots of new Covid vaccines have been created globally using a wide variety of technologies (mRN…

> Even when side effects do occur, they can typically be treated using the standard protocols for each condition.

But most of these conditions don’t have great standard treatments? For example, auto-immune conditions are “treated” by taking immunosuppressive medications indefinitely.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by walterbell »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #14

I'm in this boat. I'm worried I now have a life long disability before 35. I'm waiting for an appointment with a Rheumatology consultant and I have been told by my doctor they have been inundated with people with post COVID vaccine side effects. Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.

We need more independent open-source data collection and analysis to supplement the limited reporting in VAERS (https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html, https://medalerts.org, https://www.howbadismybatch.com, https://openvaers.com/covid-data).

Oct 2021, https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/covid-vaccine-injur...

> More than 1,300 COVID vaccine-related injury claims are now pending before an obscure government tribunal ... Lawyers tell me the vaccine is so new that there’s virtually no definitive research on injury causation to cite ... In the meantime, people like McFadden face a strict one-year deadline from the date of vaccination to file a claim with the CICP.

2021 news reports on heart issues in athletes (missing baseline numbers for prior years): https://airtable.com/shrbaT4x8LG8EbvVG/tbl7xKsSUIOPAa7Mx

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by robbiep »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #14

I'm in this boat. I'm worried I now have a life long disability before 35. I'm waiting for an appointment with a Rheumatology consultant and I have been told by my doctor they have been inundated with people with post COVID vaccine side effects. Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.

I’m sorry to hear about your issues. With respect, I’ll take a stand against your claim of there being a tsunami of patients with vaccine injuries innundating rheumatologists - I am in the field and continue to ask colleagues if they are seeing anything of the sort and no-one has seen anything like this.

However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data. Australia is almost fully vaccinated (but also more recently vaccinated than say the US) so maybe what you’re saying is still coming, but I think it is important to remain skeptical of large numbers of vaccine injured until there is reasonably robust data

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by alexmcc81 »

walterbell wrote: post #17

I wish we could have a disclaimer on every article/study about vaccine side effects, something like: "This is not an attack on vaccines, pharmaceutical interventions, associated stakeholders or policy makers. This is not a statistical assessment of risk for specific audiences. Please focus feedback and resources on specific treatments for the living human beings who have been injured. Even one in a million is of litt…

Thanks you for this thoughtful response. I chose to be vaccinated and unfortunately have suffered serious consequences like a very small number of other people will statistically. It's been pretty disheartening to see that sharing anything negative about vaccines, even those warned about by medical officials, leads to very negative reactions from people (being told to shut up, being censored/downvoted online etc). I honestly no longer discuss why I'm sick or why I can't do certain things with friends or co-workers.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by dwd »

The other issue not mentioned are the reported post-vaccine reactions where the person previously contracted Covid-19.

Q-Vax (registered for use in Australia only) vaccinates for Q Fever and has strict pre-screening to avoid vaccinating someone who had already contracted it.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by alexmcc81 »

robbiep wrote: post #23
alexmcc81 wrote: post #14

I'm in this boat. I'm worried I now have a life long disability before 35. I'm waiting for an appointment with a Rheumatology consultant and I have been told by my doctor they have been inundated with people with post COVID vaccine side effects. Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.

I’m sorry to hear about your issues. With respect, I’ll take a stand against your claim of there being a tsunami of patients with vaccine injuries innundating rheumatologists - I am in the field and continue to ask colleagues if they are seeing anything of the sort and no-one has seen anything like this. However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data. Australia is almost fully vaccinated (but also mor…

>I’ll take a stand against your claim of there being a tsunami of patients with vaccine injuries in i dating rhumatologies

I'm not making that claim. I'm only providing an anecdote about my local health service and that is what I have been told.

> However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data.

I guess it will take time since these conditions can take time to manifest or be diagnosed. I really hope it proves to be a rare occurrence.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by robbiep »

dwd wrote: post #25

The other issue not mentioned are the reported post-vaccine reactions where the person previously contracted Covid-19. Q-Vax (registered for use in Australia only) vaccinates for Q Fever and has strict pre-screening to avoid vaccinating someone who had already contracted it.

This is because of the specific immunological response the body mounts to Q Fever (which would happen with a repeat infection) if a person already has antibodies, not because vaccinating someone who has already had the condition being vaccinated against has some inherent triggering effect that is detrimental.

There is no good reason to perform a similar screening in the case of SARS-CoV-2 and there is good reason TO vaccinate because the vaccine is more consistently protective against hospitalisation and death compared to an infection of the same

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by robbiep »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #26
robbiep wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sorry to hear about your issues. With respect, I’ll take a stand against your claim of there being a tsunami of patients with vaccine injuries innundating rheumatologists - I am in the field and continue to ask colleagues if they are seeing anything of the sort and no-one has seen anything like this. However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data. Australia is almost fully vaccinated (but also mor…

>I’ll take a stand against your claim of there being a tsunami of patients with vaccine injuries in i dating rhumatologies I'm not making that claim. I'm only providing an anecdote about my local health service and that is what I have been told. > However, if it is happening, we will surely see it in the data. I guess it will take time since these conditions can take time to manifest or be diagnosed. I really hope it…

Well I’m taking a stand against the anecdote then

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by refurb »

raverbashing wrote: post #6

Anyone that's worried about autoimmune phenomena after vaccination should look at autoimmune phenomena post Covid infection

Ok, but if I get vaccines I’m exposed, but may not be exposed to Covid or at least a variant that causes an immune disorder.

Re: New‐onset autoimmune phenomena post‐Covid‐19 vaccination

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Post by thebruce87m »

alexmcc81 wrote: post #14

I'm in this boat. I'm worried I now have a life long disability before 35. I'm waiting for an appointment with a Rheumatology consultant and I have been told by my doctor they have been inundated with people with post COVID vaccine side effects. Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.

My MIL has rheumatoid arthritis which came on suddenly last year out of nowhere. It’s always in the back of your head that perhaps it has some link to the vaccination but I’m withholding judgment until proper statistics are available. She was a ( daily ) smoker but has given up since the diagnosis.

Note that everyone in both families are vaccinated, boosted etc and it has not changed her opinion on vaccination.

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