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Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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The critical info we are still missing: Effectiveness against long Covid.

In my case, remaining symptoms started disappearing after 2 weeks. By week 9 I could nolonger identify a single symptom.

However the vaccine itself had weird and strong side effects on me for a month and a half.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.

If you don't know statistics, it's time to learn. Coronavirus was never a big deal unless you were old, sick, or obese. Even with these demographics, it had a 1% death rate, the same order of magnitude as various viral illnesses. We really should have not blown this out of proportion. I think when people realized we could work from home, people faked fear to enjoy a mini vacation. Media loves fear. Politicians wanted…

Lots of people who were perfectly healthy can't even get out of bed now.

It's not a small problem. And neither is having 1% of your population sick and dying in such a short time.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

#53
This has nothing to do with the variants.

They've changed the testing policy for the vaccinated, so more of the vaccinated are getting tested.

The efficacy was artificially high before because the vaccinated were rarely tested and therefore rarely reported as infected.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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I'm so exhausted and demoralised by this endless cascade of things-getting-worse. It's taking a really big toll on my mental health and there's no resources available in my country to offer support (and there's nothing to be done except try to learn to live with it, anyways). The future looks bleak.

If you don't know statistics, it's time to learn. Coronavirus was never a big deal unless you were old, sick, or obese. Even with these demographics, it had a 1% death rate, the same order of magnitude as various viral illnesses. We really should have not blown this out of proportion. I think when people realized we could work from home, people faked fear to enjoy a mini vacation. Media loves fear. Politicians wanted…

> Coronavirus was never a big deal unless you were old, sick, or obese.

Or unless you happen to require hospitalisation at the same time than a lot of "old, sick or obese" people where saturating the available beds and ICUs of every hospital.

There are second order effects on the wave that we experienced. The most dramatic probably has been in India, where the lack of available oxygen produced a lot of deaths. And we will start to discover next year what other effects like undetected conditions, or worsened after a year of delaying treatment, will cause.

A 1% of a considerable chunk of the population is a lot of people.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #51

The critical info we are still missing: Effectiveness against long Covid.

In my case, remaining symptoms started disappearing after 2 weeks. By week 9 I could nolonger identify a single symptom. However the vaccine itself had weird and strong side effects on me for a month and a half.

Wait, so you had symptomatic COVID, then later got a vaccine? Or did you get COVID (with symptoms and a positive test) despite being vaccinated? In either case, how do you disentangle vaccine side effects from potential "long COVID"?

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s confirming data published by UK health authorities coming to the same conclusion. If you’re 2x vaccinated, hospitalization is highly unlikely for Alpha and Delta variants. See this report, page 44 bottom: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

What's going on on page 12? 35,251 unvax cases, 34 deaths 4,087 full vax cases, 26 deaths (!?) I'm guessing the vax population still skews older?

Interesting. 57% fully vaccinated with phizer in Israel and 55% of new cases are vaccinated. Looks pretty even unlike what this report from the UK shows, hopefully the mortality rate is lower with phizer...

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s confirming data published by UK health authorities coming to the same conclusion. If you’re 2x vaccinated, hospitalization is highly unlikely for Alpha and Delta variants. See this report, page 44 bottom: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

What's going on on page 12? 35,251 unvax cases, 34 deaths 4,087 full vax cases, 26 deaths (!?) I'm guessing the vax population still skews older?

Good catch. I assume the first number includes mostly children since Delta is mostly spreading through schools and children won't get any vaccine.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's going on on page 12? 35,251 unvax cases, 34 deaths 4,087 full vax cases, 26 deaths (!?) I'm guessing the vax population still skews older?

Interesting. 57% fully vaccinated with phizer in Israel and 55% of new cases are vaccinated. Looks pretty even unlike what this report from the UK shows, hopefully the mortality rate is lower with phizer...

> Looks like a pretty even split unlike what this report from the UK shows

Israel's overall vax rate is higher than UK, so that would be expected to a degree.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

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Bill Gates had this book on his reading list one year and I found it helpful to provide a different perspective (data based) on how things are improving in the world. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RGR16DL/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... Remember that most media is built on the idea of capturing attention and it is easier to capture attention with stories of fear and disaster than it is with positive stories. 3 local acts o…

I don't disagree with that view, but it's really hard to find positives from the rise of Covid. Everyday life was effectively mutilated for more than a year, we might have to coexist forever with an infectious disease that can debilitate us even after getting "vaccinated", and most of the Western ruling classes were revealed as incompetent buffoons just "winging it" from day to day. On the other hand, we can now miti…

This new mRNA tech might completely change some degenerative diseases. My kid may benefit, although given the rarity of the condition and time to approval I'm less hopeful.

Hopefully we stop trusting politicians, physicians, and scientists and start trusting Science and statistics.

Re: Israel data reportedly shows efficacy drop of Pfizer-BioNTech for delta variant

#60
I realize the article is specifically about the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the delta variant, but even in more general articles about immunity, 'natural immunity' is left out of the conversation[1]. You can carry your COVID test paperwork and latest antibody test to show you are equally, if not better protected, however, it strangely is ignored. Or, a study by a vaccine producer (NOVAX), comes up with evidence that natural immunity is not as effective. Pfizer is projected to do about $15bn worth of business with a 30% profit margin by year's end [2,3]. I think following the money and opinions of certain groups says a lot about their motivations, and not the science they claim to perform. It takes 3 to 7 years to see some negative consequences of vaccines, and the COVID vaccines only have 7 months, since the first vaccine was given, and limited testing and populations before approval to vaccinate the general public. I hope for my family's sake and others, these side effects don't materialize.

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[1] https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/92836

[2] https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/13/business/business-of-covid-va...

[3] https://www.thenation.com/article/world/covid-vaccines-pharm...

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