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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

What I find more concerning is many people will have uploaded videos with the understanding people could just watch them for free and then died. At which point YouTube is essentially monetizing dead people without paying their estates. Are people going to need to stipulate in their will to delete all uploaded content to stop crap like this?

Should the products of dead people not be monetizable? How about selling a Van Gogh painting?

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Speaking for myself, I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads. I post mostly classical music videos, which are totally ruined if video advertisements are inserted in the middle. (Granted, YouTube doesn't seem to do that to classical music videos quite as much as it used to.) I'm already paying Vimeo for a low-budget data plan, and I only continue to use YouTube as my main platform because of the extra expo…

I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads But you can?

No, what he meant is that creators can pay YouTube/Google to not put ads on all of their videos for all of their audience, not YouTube Premium.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Thereby Making it Worse for Everyone Else. Indiscriminate measures don't provide helpful information. Support videos that have acceptable ads. Don't support ones that don't. Downvote them, comment, and, most importantly, be willing not to watch them, ever. YouTube can learn, much like a dog, as long as the feedback is clear and swift

We already support videos that have acceptable ads: not YouTube ads, but in-video ads. The creator is paid directly by the advertiser with no middle-man, the user is not tracked and can easily skip them, and personally I prefer these ads instead of unskippable TV-like commercials .

And you expect YouTube to host these for free so the creator can be paid why exactly?

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Speaking for myself, I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads. I post mostly classical music videos, which are totally ruined if video advertisements are inserted in the middle. (Granted, YouTube doesn't seem to do that to classical music videos quite as much as it used to.) I'm already paying Vimeo for a low-budget data plan, and I only continue to use YouTube as my main platform because of the extra expo…

I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads But you can?

No you can't, not as a creator, which is what GP was talking about.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

Jim uses an interesting strategy to achieve ad-free status, though. He purposefully includes content from many copyright holders that default to claiming the entire video. Since apparently highlander rules apply, the system just won't play ads on his stuff.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Having just recently bought a Smart TV, I was shocked by the amount of ads that played. I pretty much stopped using it at this point. There is just too many ads. I dont even know how they can cram more ads into videos at this point.

I had the same experience using the native Youtube app on iOS.

In my browsers (including on mobile), I always have adblock enabled but playing the video in the native Youtube app crams so many ads into a video it's ridiculous. They deliver ads on videos as short as 2 minutes long. Move onto the next video after watching an ad + 2 minute video == another ad.

I've stopped using the native app and have now switched to the mobile-browser version now (I use Adguard as an ad-blocker for mobile Safari which blocks YT ads in browser)..

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Most of the creators I watch are switching to a combination of Patreon and in-video advertising "reads" (have you heard about Kiwi Co?!?) both of which cut Google out of the equation so it's not too surprising to me Google is cranking up the dial on their own advertisements.

Only they are doing it on channels with out enough viewers to choose those options. Shady af.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I've long wondered why they don't do this for video ads. If they were served as part of the main video stream it would be almost impossible for ad-blockers to filter them. (I even think the DASH segmentation would allow them to this without reencoding the original video, but that's just speculation on my part)

I think maybe the problem is that you do need to have a seperate mode for ads, so you can click on them. and as long as that's the case, there are going to be ways to block them

- Embed ads into the video itself, as suggested above

- Stream ad start/end events to the browser, with no duration info

- On sending the start event, lock the user's session such that they can't change their position within the video. lock it server-side, and client-side. Start event will include details of the ad being displayed for any interactivity.

- Unlock the session after the duration of the ad has elapsed, which is only known server-side. Then send the end event to the browser so it can be unlocked client-side.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Most of the creators I watch are switching to a combination of Patreon and in-video advertising "reads" (have you heard about Kiwi Co?!?) both of which cut Google out of the equation so it's not too surprising to me Google is cranking up the dial on their own advertisements.

I wonder how long YT will tolerate those in-video ads when YT Premium is supposed to allow for an ad-free experience.

I'm also curious as to how the advertisers and YT channels come up with pricing. The advertisers will have no metrics on how often the ad was skipped over, and maybe it's a coincidence, but the channels seem to keep the in-video ad lengths to integer multiples of 'skip 10 seconds' button presses.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

Very probably not. Dynamic ad insertion usually uses separate domains for serving the ad media and it's probably not viable to inject totally unblockable dynamic ads at the media level. And also not breaking YT for some clients on the way.

twitch.tv has started doing this very thing, so it's definitely possible. Twitch and youtube respond to each other's actions so youtube could easily end up doing this too.
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