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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

They would be heavily pressed for storage then.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Edit: I need to emphasise that the ads were occasional, and probably YouTube will be more agressive this time. I've also realised that many of you are using some sort of ad-blocker, so you might not felt the changes when it was (silently) rolled out years ago, but this is from my experience using YouTube on devices which I cannot install an ad-blocker (like in some instructional videos for certain robots which some c…

If you're referring to in-video ads, then no. At present, if you choose not to monetize a video, no ads get shown unless a third part makes a copyright claim on your video. I'm not quite sure about the situation with ads that show up in the corner of the page - those are unobtrusive enough that I'm used to mentally tuning them out.

> If you're referring to in-video ads, then no.

Pardon me? I'm pretty sure that there are (occasional) in-video ads for channels not under YPP and explicitly-demonetized YPP videos even before 2020. (and I'm pretty sure that they were in no way claimed by others at all)

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

> it's kind of a shitty move by Google. It's kind of business as usual for Google. Why would anyone expect them to be kind and generous suddenly when they have consistently for years pulled the rug out underneath previosly-free services. (or killed them off completely https://killedbygoogle.com/ ) gmail subscriptions are next, just wait and see.

Gmail It's the one service easily replaced. If they go this route the internet will be a more decentralized place

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

> it's kind of a shitty move by Google. It's kind of business as usual for Google. Why would anyone expect them to be kind and generous suddenly when they have consistently for years pulled the rug out underneath previosly-free services. (or killed them off completely https://killedbygoogle.com/ ) gmail subscriptions are next, just wait and see.

That's probably the one service that will always be "free" since it's such a gold mine of your personal info

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

If let's say that google charges 1$ (or more, adjust yourself) per gb of stored video, or 1$ per 20gb of bandwidth use to opt out of ads, will it be better?

Speaking for myself, I would be willing to pay YouTube to opt out of ads. I post mostly classical music videos, which are totally ruined if video advertisements are inserted in the middle. (Granted, YouTube doesn't seem to do that to classical music videos quite as much as it used to.)

I'm already paying Vimeo for a low-budget data plan, and I only continue to use YouTube as my main platform because of the extra exposure.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

Well if he has all the hardcore supporters on Patreon and can communicate with them over there already, changing services become much much easier. Don't really understand the fuzz since he is charging for being ad free anyway. I would be more supportive if ad free ia principle hence for all the visitors.

The amount of support he has on Patreon allows him to go ad-free for all his videos, for everyone. It's not just a 'be a Patreon member and get ad-free videos, otherwise you get ads'. YouTube doesn't have any features to allow that.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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If you're referring to in-video ads, then no. At present, if you choose not to monetize a video, no ads get shown unless a third part makes a copyright claim on your video. I'm not quite sure about the situation with ads that show up in the corner of the page - those are unobtrusive enough that I'm used to mentally tuning them out.

> If you're referring to in-video ads, then no. Pardon me? I'm pretty sure that there are (occasional) in-video ads for channels not under YPP and explicitly-demonetized YPP videos even before 2020. (and I'm pretty sure that they were in no way claimed by others at all)

Examples? Happy to be proven wrong on this.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

I've long wondered why they don't do this for video ads. If they were served as part of the main video stream it would be almost impossible for ad-blockers to filter them. (I even think the DASH segmentation would allow them to this without reencoding the original video, but that's just speculation on my part)

I think maybe the problem is that you do need to have a seperate mode for ads, so you can click on them. and as long as that's the case, there are going to be ways to block them

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Hacker News User Will Continue to Run uBlock Origin on All Sites Including YouTube Even If Webmasters Don't Want Him To

Thereby Making it Worse for Everyone Else.

Indiscriminate measures don't provide helpful information. Support videos that have acceptable ads. Don't support ones that don't. Downvote them, comment, and, most importantly, be willing not to watch them, ever. YouTube can learn, much like a dog, as long as the feedback is clear and swift

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