At this point people should be wearing helmets and goggles to protect their heads and eyes from rubber bullets and canisters of tear gas. It's crazy that the police can get away with severely injuring people. We've seen them directly aiming and shooting at cameras at eye level, and aiming at peoples' heads without any regard for safety.
How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…
You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…
It's a chaotic situation. They (the police/nat-guard) likely wanted people inside their homes to prevent further chaos and confrontations. It all becomes more volatile if everyone's on their porch, outraged, as the police "parade" comes through.
I know folks on HN like strict interpretations and reasoning of what's legal or illegal, but all of that gets very blurred during a riot when the situation at any given time is on the verge of getting out of control. It just isn't time for a high-school forensics debate when people are in riot gear.
If a group of highly armed police or military are marching through your street and demanding you go inside--- it's probably better to GO INSIDE at least until they're gone.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).
The US has underfunded education and training at every fundamental step of life. It's the root of many of our problems.
Yes, underfunding education is the real root of the problem as it hampers the democratic process later on.
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#54It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…
> It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. That it is possible to film ethically is not the point. Particularly if you include sharing the video as part of "filming" then there's a lot to consider which this goes into. Two things to me are simple and good examples - does what I'm filming accurately reflect what's happening? If I deliberate…
Correct. If you are filming someone, be aware that your video may be used as proof in court - for example, to prove that a person was indeed resisting arrest.
It's best to not release it to anyone except to the victim's lawyers who will make sure the video supports their case instead of undermining it.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).
The US has underfunded education and training at every fundamental step of life. It's the root of many of our problems.
That does not seem to be the case. The US spends more on education than any other country. $16,268 a year per student vs global average of $10,759". It's evident that money does not translate into better results.
"According to the Washington thinktank the National Center on Education and the Economy (NCEE), the average student in Singapore is 3.5 years ahead of her US counterpart in maths, 1.5 years ahead in reading and 2.5 in science. Children in countries as diverse as Canada, China, Estonia, Germany, Finland, Netherland, New Zealand and Singapore consistently outrank their US counterparts on the basics of education."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/07/us-education...
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US has underfunded education and training at every fundamental step of life. It's the root of many of our problems.
That does not seem to be the case. The US spends more on education than any other country. $16,268 a year per student vs global average of $10,759". It's evident that money does not translate into better results. "According to the Washington thinktank the National Center on Education and the Economy (NCEE), the average student in Singapore is 3.5 years ahead of her US counterpart in maths, 1.5 years ahead in reading…
What's the money actually spent on? I'd argue that massive American football stadiums for grades 9-12 are perhaps incorrectly prioritized as compared to e.g. teachers.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…
worth noting that MN National Guard seems to have replied to this specific video and say that it' is not them. https://twitter.com/MNNationalGuard/status/12670051854922260... This doesn't quite disagree with your statement, but I'd like to ensure the correct officers are identified and disciplined.
> This doesn't quite disagree with your statement, but I'd like to ensure the correct officers are identified and disciplined.
As if anything would happen to these disgraces on legs. That's the entire point why people are protesting.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…
It's a chaotic situation. They (the police/nat-guard) likely wanted people inside their homes to prevent further chaos and confrontations. It all becomes more volatile if everyone's on their porch, outraged, as the police "parade" comes through. I know folks on HN like strict interpretations and reasoning of what's legal or illegal, but all of that gets very blurred during a riot when the situation at any given time…
But again, that’s not the law (the executive order here). They can’t go enforce things not the law. It’s not like there are armed folks running around that street making exigent circumstances. Why do you feel the need to defend something obviously indefensible?
Edit: just to be clear, given all the huff and puff by police of needing riot gear, armored trucks, giant guns, I haven’t seen any report in Minneapolis of any armed protestors or any cops coming under fire. But that doesn’t stop the cops from shooting (less than lethal) rounds.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. That it is possible to film ethically is not the point. Particularly if you include sharing the video as part of "filming" then there's a lot to consider which this goes into. Two things to me are simple and good examples - does what I'm filming accurately reflect what's happening? If I deliberate…
Correct. If you are filming someone, be aware that your video may be used as proof in court - for example, to prove that a person was indeed resisting arrest. It's best to not release it to anyone except to the victim's lawyers who will make sure the video supports their case instead of undermining it.
Please elaborate, are you saying that resisting arrest is a law that should not exist even in the case where it can be proven?
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#60Can I just say - the sources for good, actionable news are sometimes the strangest of places these days. I've started just reading: http://reddit.com/r/news instead of newspaper websites and it's nice - some affiliate tv news stations (the Minneapolis newspapers...not so much) or student newspapers (I see you Crimson reporting on the anthropology department) are getting it done and sometimes more consistently than ma…
Someone mentioned SPIDR on HN a while back, and it's seems to have a wide range of headlines + viewpoints:
The comments are useless though..