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Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by CyanBird »

antpls wrote: post #47
zamfi wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the proximate-causes of death from COVID-19 come from the immune system in overdrive killing healthy cells in addition to infected ones. Not sure you want a stronger immune system in that case; you probably want to reduce inflammation directly.

Experts seem to rapidly change of opinion about that : https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-... Actually not sure who to trust about this anymore.

>> Editor's note (19 March 2020): Since the publication of this article, the World Health Organization has updated its advice on the official Twitter account: "Based on currently available information, WHO does not recommend against the use of ibuprofen."

Yeah, messy situation, but I'll take their word and the Chinese doctors for it whom have been administering ibuprofen to measure success

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Post by est »

hkai wrote: post #26
narrator wrote: post #15

I wonder if the U.S is going to use these drugs or if most docs will be too conventional to use these drugs off label. "Antiviral Treatment... lopinavir/ritonavir (2 capsules, po q12h} combined with arbidol (200 mg po ql 2h)...chloroquine phosphate can be used on adults... Interferon nebulization Darunavir/cobicistat hdarunavir/ cobicistat (1 tablet qd) or favipiravir (starting dose of 1600 mg followed by 600 mg tid)…

Arbidol is totally fake Russian medicine though, shame on China for falling for the scam.

Yeah I heard that too. It's at most an HA protein inhibitor, while the SARS-CoV-2 likely to bind with ACE2 receptor. Also it requires high concentration of the drug.

It's been discussed in China back in Feb.

https://www.zhihu.com/question/369651688/answer/998764757

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/104331976

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/105098611

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/105309573

TL;DR it's controversial.

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by CyanBird »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #31
dirtyid wrote: post #6

I wonder what the handbook for the billions of people in hundreds of countries without adequate health care infrastructure is. Our data points so far has been from mostly dismal first world responses with capability to report skewed statistics due to system under testing. But the reality is, most of the world will respond to this outbreak the same way they did the Spanish Flu. It would be interesting to see outcome o…

I'm terrified for how this may play out in Venezuela.

Vnzla has got strategically ties with Cuba, whom have already been exporting antivirals in great amounts to China, they will be fine, tho their prisons might suffer, just like most of latam prison population

If you want to worry worry about the US homeless population and those poor people on Mexican us sponsored migratory concentration camps and us Ice concentration camps as well

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by anon012012 »

est wrote: post #10
mysterypie wrote: post #2

I would welcome a handbook like this for individual or family use at home if hospitals become overwelmed and can no longer accommodate even seriously ill patients. The featured handbook looks very useful, but it's written for medical professionals in a hospital setting. I'm thinking about a handbook with instructions on how to do life critical procedures as best as possible with the resources one might have at home .…

There's a Chinese tutorial of how to make ~n90 grade masks with HEPA and SMS non-woven fabric. https://www.zhihu.com/question/367499169/answer/996640281

I'm sorry if it's slightly off topic, but could we 3D print plastic masks? It seems they could at least protect from the biggest droplets. Better than nothing, I would say. Even we could create a transparent full facial mask, protecting the eyes.

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by Steve44 »

walterbell wrote: post #33

There's a crowdsourced handbook here, please contribute: ToC: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/ Doctors: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/doctors Self-care: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DioVg-8nu25up0JMdd-w3AsJ...

Regarding the self-care document, I'd never heard of acetaminophen before so had to look it up but perhaps medical people know the term? I'd half guesses by seeing the precautions though.

In the UK it's generally called Paracetamol and is in a lot of over-the-counter medicine.

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #38
mysterypie wrote: post #2

I would welcome a handbook like this for individual or family use at home if hospitals become overwelmed and can no longer accommodate even seriously ill patients. The featured handbook looks very useful, but it's written for medical professionals in a hospital setting. I'm thinking about a handbook with instructions on how to do life critical procedures as best as possible with the resources one might have at home .…

as best as possible with the resources one might have at home. Previous comment by me along those lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595343 I skimmed the home care thing posted by someone else. It said to use paper towels instead of towels to dry your hands. I almost never use towels to dry my hands. If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet. (Assuming it won't be a plumbing problem. I can't do t…

> If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet

Please don't do this. They don't break down in water. Even if your personal house plumbing could handle it, the main sewage will not if everyone starts doing this, leading to serious blockages.

https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=paper%20towels%20flush

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by DoreenMichele »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #56
DoreenMichele wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as best as possible with the resources one might have at home. Previous comment by me along those lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595343 I skimmed the home care thing posted by someone else. It said to use paper towels instead of towels to dry your hands. I almost never use towels to dry my hands. If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet. (Assuming it won't be a plumbing problem. I can't do t…

> If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet Please don't do this. They don't break down in water. Even if your personal house plumbing could handle it, the main sewage will not if everyone starts doing this, leading to serious blockages. https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=paper%20towels%20flush

Then I suggest you just air dry your hands as much as possible, which is what I typically do. Or install a hot air hand dryer at home.

I'm pretty appalled at the official recommendation to basically create a trash can full of damp paper products in an area with a deathly ill patient and didn't want to outright say that because people give me so much shit for expressing opinions of that sort.

Paper is nasty stuff to begin with. Wet paper is a horrifying breeding ground of horribleness. Especially if it is just going to sit there for hours and possibly have other nasty stuff added to the mix.

I cannot possibly overstate how strongly I feel that the official recommendation to create a trash can full of damp paper in an area with a sick person in the name of good hygiene falls under the category of "Are you insane and trying to kill people?"

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Post by cassianoleal »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #56
DoreenMichele wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as best as possible with the resources one might have at home. Previous comment by me along those lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595343 I skimmed the home care thing posted by someone else. It said to use paper towels instead of towels to dry your hands. I almost never use towels to dry my hands. If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet. (Assuming it won't be a plumbing problem. I can't do t…

> If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet Please don't do this. They don't break down in water. Even if your personal house plumbing could handle it, the main sewage will not if everyone starts doing this, leading to serious blockages. https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=paper%20towels%20flush

100% that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/uks-sewage-sys...

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by eth0up »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #56
DoreenMichele wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as best as possible with the resources one might have at home. Previous comment by me along those lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22595343 I skimmed the home care thing posted by someone else. It said to use paper towels instead of towels to dry your hands. I almost never use towels to dry my hands. If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet. (Assuming it won't be a plumbing problem. I can't do t…

> If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet Please don't do this. They don't break down in water. Even if your personal house plumbing could handle it, the main sewage will not if everyone starts doing this, leading to serious blockages. https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=paper%20towels%20flush

Heiliga sheissa! Good catch. Flushing paper towels seems precisely the kind of advice an enemy would airdrop as propaganda, onto an unusually naive audience. That must've been a typo, no?. Millions of people with backed up, clogged sewage systems during a time of crisis would be a huge disadvantage.

Re: Handbook of Covid-19 Prevention and Treatment from Hospital with 0% fatality [pdf]

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Post by labawi »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #57
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you use paper towels, flush them down the toilet Please don't do this. They don't break down in water. Even if your personal house plumbing could handle it, the main sewage will not if everyone starts doing this, leading to serious blockages. https://duckduckgo.com/html?q=paper%20towels%20flush

Then I suggest you just air dry your hands as much as possible, which is what I typically do. Or install a hot air hand dryer at home. I'm pretty appalled at the official recommendation to basically create a trash can full of damp paper products in an area with a deathly ill patient and didn't want to outright say that because people give me so much shit for expressing opinions of that sort. Paper is nasty stuff to b…

Against covid-19 and human viruses in general, as a means to limit spread, a trashcan full of damp paper is likely safer than a trashcan full of dry paper, dry snot in your pocket or similar alternatives.

A virus needs living human/animal cells to procreate, (I guess) it's less likely to spread from a damp vs. dry and dusty material, and is likely to decontaminate much sooner - even the mentioned nastiness could be decomposing the virus.

Whether the sick person is likely to get a secondary infection is another issue, though I'm not sure why you consider wet paper a horrible breeding ground.

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