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Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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"Costco does independent testing and their olive oil is unadulterated" One of the interesting things I learned from the honey article was that fraudsters have figured out how to work their way around tests, at least for honey. I wouldn't be surprised if they could do the same for olive oil and other food products. It seems like a cat and mouse game. Something not mentioned in the article is that testing labs themselv…

If they remove enough to detect it was adulterated then would it trigger the allergic reaction though?

Removal isn't the only thing that happens. Sometimes they add in stuff like pollen.

Also, just because they fool the particular testing tools that labs use doesn't mean you as a consumer won't have an adverse reaction to whatever it was they put in to the honey.

The problem with adulteration isn't exclusively limited to harmful health effects either. Even if your health would not be adversely affected by the adulterants, you might still want to be certain you're getting is genuine.

Let's say you bought corn syrup while under the impression that it was honey. It might not harm your health any more than any other corn syrup would, but you've still been defrauded, and what you got might not have the same health benefits that honey has (assuming honey has such benefits).

Your purchasing decisions could have an ecological impact too. Effectively subsidizing the growing of corn by mistakenly buying corn syrup will have different ecological consequences than subsidizing the establishment of more bee colonies by buying genuine honey.

That's not to mention the ethical issues of being conned in to giving money to fraudsters versus giving it to honest business people.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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post #17

I only buy honey that has crystallized a bit. AFAIK only natural honey does this. It's insane that people don't like this, so sellers are heating the honey to stop the crystallization.

yes indeed. This happens to the one I buy "BLOOM" which says its pure RAW Honey, and in the ingredients that's all it is "raw honey".

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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As an immigrant, I see most if not the entirety of the US food industry as a deadly practical joke. We're all stuffing our face with sugar, dairy, fatty red meat and processed food and nobody really seems to care. Most of the so-called healthy alternatives aren't healthy at all. Just look at what are called "protein bars" at your local market and check how much sugar those have, to name one example.

> Just look at what are called "protein bars" at your local market and check how much sugar those have

Something to bear in mind here is that products designed for athletes won't be healthy for people who aren't training at high volume. The metabolic pathway for sugar is very different when taken during or after training.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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The problem, if it is even a problem, is that 99% of the reason we initially sought out honey no longer exists. We liked it because it was the purest source of sugar that was available. We didn't care that it happened to be bee vomit flavored with a bit of plant sperm, or that we were exploiting the reproductive strategies of flowering plants, we just wanted the sweet. This is similar with maple syrup, which comes fr…

Well, I like honey because good honey tastes different from plain sugar. Traveling in Greece I tasted some honeys that were unlike anything I had ever tasted before, ranging from bitter, to floral, to earthy. It's the sweetness, sure, but not only the sweetness.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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post #9

Another downside of globalization, it has become cheap and easy to move food items across the world, so Vietnamese sugar syrup can be sold here as "honey" and it becomes a race to the bottom - actual honey producers either go out of business or have to do the same thing. Then a free trade advocate will point to how much the consumer price of "honey" has declined to show how well it works. This should be straight up r…

It is surprising how many handicrafts in Tanzania have Made in China stickers on them even though they are being sold as locally made. English is a common language there so it's unlikely the locals don't know what the sticker says, it probably just doesn't matter to the tourists buying the stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case in many indigenous craft markets around the world.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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From an environmental perspective, sure. But not from an economic perspective. That's great if they can sell it and make money to subsidize the other part of their business (pollination). But if the economics aren't there, that's unrealistic. Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter. If you take away their honey, then you need to feed them sugar. The most practical thing is to leave the…

Honey sells at a premium to refined sugar. Your argument doesn't make any sense.

This is a discussion of an article about the price of real honey potentially falling below sustainable levels. Below those levels, sugar may still cost less but the farmers may not find the operation worthwhile due to other costs.

Re: Fancy honey might not actually be honey

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post #35

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Some farmers in places with depleted pollinators have to ship honeybees in to their fields. Harvesting honey from those bees makes that cheaper. Even without that usage, harvesting honey can be harmless to bees and benefit surrounding plant life. That makes it one of the best (if not the best) sources of concentrated sugar from an environmental perspective.

From an environmental perspective, sure. But not from an economic perspective. That's great if they can sell it and make money to subsidize the other part of their business (pollination). But if the economics aren't there, that's unrealistic. Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter. If you take away their honey, then you need to feed them sugar. The most practical thing is to leave the…

> Remember, honey bees harvest honey as food for themselves during winter.

This is only in some parts of the world. My bees have never known winter.

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