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Why American Mothers are Superior

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Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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Its pretty damn good, but the author is a she.

?!?! I've read everything TLP wrote since someone else on HN recommended it a few months ago, and never did it cross my mind that it was written by a woman. I guess the pictures of hot girls threw me off.

Look under the picture of the hot girl. http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/12/taboos_are_the_ways_c...

>... my husband said the same thing

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its pretty damn good, but the author is a she.

?!?! I've read everything TLP wrote since someone else on HN recommended it a few months ago, and never did it cross my mind that it was written by a woman. I guess the pictures of hot girls threw me off.

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Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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You know, if you take a highly intelligent, well educated woman from the upper middle class and marry her with a highly educated, intelligent man from the upper middle class of the most developed country in the world, it would take a bit of effort for the children to be failures. As in, they actually have to go out of their way to fail at life.

I'd much prefer seeing the two systems applied to two disadvantaged children, and see what works better.

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

?!?! I've read everything TLP wrote since someone else on HN recommended it a few months ago, and never did it cross my mind that it was written by a woman. I guess the pictures of hot girls threw me off.

Look under the picture of the hot girl. http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/12/taboos_are_the_ways_c... >... my husband said the same thing

That's the caption to the pic - meant to be read in hot girl's voice, not TLP's.

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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I'm writing this from Hong Kong, where I run a scholarship for young entrepreneurs in mainland China. A few thoughts: -To understand the mentality of a Chinese parent, you need to know a few things. First, the obvious one child policy, and the expectation that this one child will support their children but also their parents and grandparents (no social security, minuscule pensions and a non-existent safety net). This…

None of that speaks to her criticism of the practice of focusing on rote learning over creativity. I think you can make a good argument that a creative thinker is less likely to fall behind in the real world than someone that only takes the prescribed approach to solving problems.

It provides context. Dr.Chua's article was not just about rote learning vs creativity. For instance, how far do you think rote learning can go in music?

I would suspect that children need a balanced mix of both: discipline to learn the basics in whichever field they want to get into, coupled with freedom to explore their own interests. I suspect that today's american school culture stresses creativity to the point of ignoring the fundamentals. The good thing is that there are self-correcting mechanisms built into the american system as opposed to the chinese system where the children and the parents too, rarely get much of a say.

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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I'm convinced the original article by the Chinese mother was some kind of satire. I simply can't believe a reasonably intelligent person (a Yale prof!) can write that with a straight face-- the bit about not letting kids participate in school plays takes the cake.

"YHBT. HTH, HAND"

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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Well, I'll counter your anecdotal Chinese mothers with mine. I didn't get to do sleepovers, ever, and my parents drove over to pick me up from school if they thought I was spending too much time on extracurriculars and not working on math homework. It was pretty fucking humiliating.

Your anecdotal Chinese mother is more extreme than my anecdotal Chinese mothers. Unfortunate.

Its not anecdotal if it was His mother. Not hearsay anyway.

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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Making the kids play violin, of being an A student, all the discipline, all of this? Why is she working her kids so hard? You know the answer: college.

She is raising future college students.

I would say to all of those who are encouraging their kids to play violin merely for college application ammunition: People are only in college for 5 years. Much better to raise your children to be good people.

Would you rather raise your kid to have an active lifelong connection to unconscious being, art, and the eternal, or would you rather raise them so that they can put away their violin and have something to mention in passing at cocktail parties for the rest of their lives?

This choice of short term/long term focus applies to many aspects of education. It is the difference between merely raising a high status, suitably socialized drone versus a human being of substance.

As to which Amy Chua has chosen, only she can know. Having listened to her on interviews, I would say she claims the latter. I suspect that many who try to emulate such true success are unknowlingly choosing the former.

Many startups make the same choice!

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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post #47

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Your anecdotal Chinese mother is more extreme than my anecdotal Chinese mothers. Unfortunate.

Its not anecdotal if it was His mother. Not hearsay anyway.

Anecdotal means "Not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research" so the claim that it his mother is, itself, anecdotal.

Kind of inherent in casual, internet conversation... hard to avoid.

Re: Why American Mothers are Superior

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This is not necessarily a defense, but...

Until very recently in India, being anything other than a doctor, engineer or MBA meant earning salaries so poor that you'd end up depending on your children for financial support when you retired. This in turn drove you to spend as much money as you could on your children's education because it was an investment in your own future, while also serving as a badge of pride when your kids came home with straight As. So, you'd find folks who instead of trying to build a meager pension, would instead pool all their resources into a college education for their children. Indeed, many old Indian movies use the image of a son who abandons his parents in search of a glitzy life in the city to portray his villainy.

These professions were not natural callings but the only option out of an existence of drudgery. Things are changing now, with the advent of the BPO industry, and the subsequent higher earning power which can then fund other circles of vocations. Consequently you see several guys opting for the arts or other paths less followed.

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