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Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by loteck »

vgoh1 wrote: post #38
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

Not sure what country you are in, but that's called civic duty, and helps society work.

Why can't society compensate this person fairly for his help?

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by vorpalhex »

dooglius wrote: post #44
vorpalhex wrote: post #17

This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

> Ring said it would not provide user video footage in response to a subpoena, but would comply if company officials were presented with a search warrant or felt they had a legal obligation to produce the content . [Emphasis mine]

That's them basically saying, "Even if turns out we could have fought that request in court and won, we still don't want to get sued, so we want the benefit of the doubt for complying with any and all requests".

That's an unfortunate bit of general lack of company accountability to users instead of shareholders, and until we establish stronger digital rights for consumers, won't change, whether it's your ring footage or Grandma's chili recipe in google drive.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by panarky »

catacombs wrote: post #36
panarky wrote: post #4

Welcome to the private free-market Stasi. You can try to opt out by not using Facebook or Ring cameras, but your friends and neighbors opt you in without your permission.

> Stasi Did you know the Stasi was the largest spy organization in modern history? More than 50,000 people worked for them. In a group of 12 people, two to three are often informants.

In today's private free-market Stasi, you'd be lucky if a group of 12 people has two or three who are not informants.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by Faaak »

vgoh1 wrote: post #38
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

Not sure what country you are in, but that's called civic duty, and helps society work.

How is them going to court a civic duty ?

You could testify once that this is your camera and here are the mp4 files (and their sha sum). And that would be it.

Equally, technically they didn't see anything as the video caught by the camera could actually be made up.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by johnbrodie »

adossi wrote: post #42
johnbrodie wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really random citizens that have the footage though, it's Google. I don't want to slippery slope too far, but we've been shown time and time again that data in private hands is essentially also in government hands. You only have to look back at whisleblowers/leaks in the past decade to see that this is true. Worse yet, with techniques like parallel construction, it could be many, many years until you know th…

Isn't Ring owned by Amazon, not Google?

Didn't have my coffee yet. Yes, Amazon. Doesn't really change my point.

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Post by mrbonner »

My city’s police department is actually very transparent about this. They have a campaign on social media and snail mail to inform citizen to sign up for the use of outside cameras to assist law enforcement in case they need footages for a crime in an area covered by your cameras. Once they determine that your camera footages could help they would send you a request to share the videos with them for investigation. I think pretty much everyone in my community welcomes this idea as we have had an uptick in car break ins lately.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by garmaine »

loteck wrote: post #51
vgoh1 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what country you are in, but that's called civic duty, and helps society work.

Why can't society compensate this person fairly for his help?

It can. He should be able to invoice the DA for his time. The taxpayers (society) foots the bill.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by hanniabu »

5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

I don't see why this is necessary. If it's on camera why would it matter who it belongs to? Is some legal letter not sufficient? Something along the lines of "I, name, live at this address and own the device that captured said footage". It's not like it was a witness account or anything.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by DiseasedBadger »

yters wrote: post #8
panarky wrote: post #4

Welcome to the private free-market Stasi. You can try to opt out by not using Facebook or Ring cameras, but your friends and neighbors opt you in without your permission.

Indeed. Mass surveillance. Police brutality. Weapons confiscation. Seems to be a pattern. Both sides of the political spectrum are enabling different portions of this pattern.

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Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by 5440 »

hanniabu wrote: post #58
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

I don't see why this is necessary. If it's on camera why would it matter who it belongs to? Is some legal letter not sufficient? Something along the lines of "I, name, live at this address and own the device that captured said footage". It's not like it was a witness account or anything.

Exactly my point. The prosecutor told me its because the defense is trying to dispute everything and get the footage removed from evidence.
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