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Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by Johnny555 »

option wrote: post #10

If I put a camera outside of my house I want police to be able to access/react to what it’s captured. Our PD even has an app where you can register a camera with them (not direct access though)

I took great pains to mount my cameras so they only see my front porch or someone walking up my sidewalk, all they see of anyone else is their shins/feet walking by on the common area sidewalk.

Then the HOA said I can't mount cameras outside due to "privacy concerns", a Ring doorbell is the only approved camera.

So now my Ring doorbell captures a full video of everyone walking by my unit.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by DiseasedBadger »

inscionent wrote: post #11
yters wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Mass surveillance. Police brutality. Weapons confiscation. Seems to be a pattern. Both sides of the political spectrum are enabling different portions of this pattern.

Who is confiscating weapons?

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Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by pjc50 »

yters wrote: post #8
panarky wrote: post #4

Welcome to the private free-market Stasi. You can try to opt out by not using Facebook or Ring cameras, but your friends and neighbors opt you in without your permission.

Indeed. Mass surveillance. Police brutality. Weapons confiscation. Seems to be a pattern. Both sides of the political spectrum are enabling different portions of this pattern.

One of those things is not like the others.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by RandomBacon »

5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

I imagine if you saw the person enter the house and not your camera, the results would be similar: depositions, time away from work, etc?

The question is, in this particular case, did the camera help identify an otherwise unknown suspect?

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Post by catacombs »

panarky wrote: post #4

Welcome to the private free-market Stasi. You can try to opt out by not using Facebook or Ring cameras, but your friends and neighbors opt you in without your permission.

> Stasi

Did you know the Stasi was the largest spy organization in modern history? More than 50,000 people worked for them. In a group of 12 people, two to three are often informants.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by mikestew »

paublyrne wrote: post #27
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

At the risk of being glib, your headache and frustrations seem trivial in the context of the crime you're mentioning.

At equal risk of being glib, I don't think the purchase of consumer electronics should put you on the hook for weeks of depositions for a crime you didn't personally witness. I believe that would the literal manifestation of "that's not what I signed up for". Here's the MP4 file, now go away.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by vgoh1 »

5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

Not sure what country you are in, but that's called civic duty, and helps society work.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by johnbrodie »

vorpalhex wrote: post #17

This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

It's not really random citizens that have the footage though, it's Google. I don't want to slippery slope too far, but we've been shown time and time again that data in private hands is essentially also in government hands. You only have to look back at whisleblowers/leaks in the past decade to see that this is true. Worse yet, with techniques like parallel construction, it could be many, many years until you know the truth.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by RandomBacon »

Johnny555 wrote: post #31
option wrote: post #10

If I put a camera outside of my house I want police to be able to access/react to what it’s captured. Our PD even has an app where you can register a camera with them (not direct access though)

I took great pains to mount my cameras so they only see my front porch or someone walking up my sidewalk, all they see of anyone else is their shins/feet walking by on the common area sidewalk. Then the HOA said I can't mount cameras outside due to "privacy concerns", a Ring doorbell is the only approved camera. So now my Ring doorbell captures a full video of everyone walking by my unit.

Are there any rules against having more than one "doorbell"? Do the rules say where the "doorbells" must be located or if they must be accessible by visitors?

(Also, if there wasn't a rule against your cameras when you put them up, then you should talk to a lawyer.)

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