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Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by opwieurposiu »

moate wrote: post #12
option wrote: post #10

If I put a camera outside of my house I want police to be able to access/react to what it’s captured. Our PD even has an app where you can register a camera with them (not direct access though)

Great. You pointed that camera directly at my house and are now infringing on my right not to have it watched by the police 24/7. Please explain why your rights are greater than mine.

When someone films you, they are implicitly consenting to use their image sensor to receive any photons you may emit. Should you choose to emit a few extra photons, say with a 5 watt laser pointer, it is their problem if said image sensor becomes less responsive to photons in the future.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by adossi »

johnbrodie wrote: post #39
vorpalhex wrote: post #17

This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

It's not really random citizens that have the footage though, it's Google. I don't want to slippery slope too far, but we've been shown time and time again that data in private hands is essentially also in government hands. You only have to look back at whisleblowers/leaks in the past decade to see that this is true. Worse yet, with techniques like parallel construction, it could be many, many years until you know th…

Isn't Ring owned by Amazon, not Google?

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Post by dooglius »

vorpalhex wrote: post #17

This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

> Ring said it would not provide user video footage in response to a subpoena, but would comply if company officials were presented with a search warrant or felt they had a legal obligation to produce the content. [Emphasis mine]

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by moate »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #14
moate wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. You pointed that camera directly at my house and are now infringing on my right not to have it watched by the police 24/7. Please explain why your rights are greater than mine.

>right not to have it watched by the police 24/7 I'm not aware of any legislation in the USA that would make a video feed of the exterior view of a property from one's own property illegal.

You're correct. This is legal. That doesn't make it good. It's also legal for the police to have access to this. It doesn't make it good. It's also legal for everyone else in the neighborhood to send this footage willingly to the police anytime they see a "suspicious person" in the neighborhood. It doesn't make it good.

I believe this is a bad thing. I believe that citizens helping subsidize the creation of an Amazon surveillance product that they then sell to police forces is a bad thing, even if it's legal.

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Post by stephens_chris »

johnbrodie wrote: post #39
vorpalhex wrote: post #17

This headline leaves out an important detail from the article: > Officers don’t receive ongoing or live-video access, and homeowners can decline the requests, which Ring sends via email It's not as if the police are pulling a Batman and watching every ring simultaneously, but instead they can do the digital equivalent of going door-to-door and asking "Hey, did you catch footage of your neighbors house being broken in…

It's not really random citizens that have the footage though, it's Google. I don't want to slippery slope too far, but we've been shown time and time again that data in private hands is essentially also in government hands. You only have to look back at whisleblowers/leaks in the past decade to see that this is true. Worse yet, with techniques like parallel construction, it could be many, many years until you know th…

I agree, and would add on that anytime data is centralized under control of any one actor – public or private – this is would be the case.

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Post by maximente »

all in all a great (if not disgusting) business strategy, showing the power of leveraging the state to succeed in a so called "free market":

- get powerful, vocal .gov entity involved in your product as easily/thoroughly as possible while you perform typical statup "disruption" activities

- when any issues with regulation, rights violations etc. come up, immediately "shell out" to your .gov spokeperson who sings your praises and how we cannot touch this entity ("helped catch all these bad guys", "used in xx criminal cases that led to convictions", "would you really want to let someone in your home /without/ one of these?")

- repeat ad nauseum as frustrated citizens complain - "we would LOVE to comply, but... it's no longer just about us, you'd be hindering crime-fighting! so we can't do it"

- you now have impenetrable air cover as any random .gov entity with power will trump citizen outrage

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Post by Trias11 »

If Ring is being compensated by the government agencies - I'll happily participate too - providing Ring and/or law enforcement agency (let them decide between) will compensate me as well for supporting their business model every time i share my video.

Optionally i can decide to share on a good will basis of course - but this is going to be optional.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by abootstrapper »

adossi wrote: post #42
johnbrodie wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really random citizens that have the footage though, it's Google. I don't want to slippery slope too far, but we've been shown time and time again that data in private hands is essentially also in government hands. You only have to look back at whisleblowers/leaks in the past decade to see that this is true. Worse yet, with techniques like parallel construction, it could be many, many years until you know th…

Isn't Ring owned by Amazon, not Google?

Yes.

Re: Ring has partnered with 400 police forces

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Post by stephens_chris »

vgoh1 wrote: post #38
5440 wrote: post #24

My ring camera caught a murderer breaking a door down last year and it's been a headache for me ever since. Even though I didnt actually see the murder,I've been called to several depositions and had to take three unpaid weeks off of work because of trial stuff. It's so frustrating. All I say everytime, is "Yes, I own the camera" I regret ever buying it at this point.

Not sure what country you are in, but that's called civic duty, and helps society work.

In some societies, you are rewarded, or at least supported, in doing your civic duty. That's often not the case in other places. There can be a high cost.
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