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Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

Kecelij wrote: post #37
tasogare wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Natural way is the only way. Fuck technology. Why are you not running in your primal forest instead of posting here? Genuine question.

I am aware of my hypocrisy, but I would honestly rather live with primal tribes and not stress about all the shit happening with the world. I mean, what kind of a society will my eventual children grow into? 1984-Big brother world. Jesus. I would rather hunt a bear, then eat it for a week with my tribe, and then dance around the fire while drinking some psychedelic drink in the warm night, seeing all the stars and mi…

Right up until you die of a infection resulting from a minor scratch.

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Post by geggam »

krapp wrote: post #46
geggam wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should try that for a week or two. Take an alaskan sabbatical or something. You will likely gain a new appreciation for modern society. That or be bear food.

At the very least they would gain a new appreciation for modern sanitation and medicine when eating that bear meat or drinking some water gives them a parasite or cholera - wait, sorry, we can't have the insight of modern education and technology - when the land has cursed them with an evil spirit.

Yeah, should you experience the stress of trying to live off the land even with some modern tools its not easy.

Typically you dont hunt bears either, you want to hunt things that cant hunt you back. The real thought of being eaten alive is a tad bit stressful.

Even boar hunting is a bit dangerous.

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Post by geggam »

tluyben2 wrote: post #44
geggam wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever thought you werent around to ask about your choice in the matter ?

Sure, which is the point.

So you would rather not exist ?

Have you seriously sought counseling ?

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Post by aluren »

hirundo wrote: post #12

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…

There should be a moratorium on invoking evolution unless you're an evolutionary biologist. It's quite telling that whenever I read the word 'Darwin' on this site I immediately go 'aw shit, I'm not going to like this' and it never fails.

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Post by aluren »

haihaibye wrote: post #36
hirundo wrote: post #12

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…

http://veryshortscifi.blogspot.com/2015/08/not-even-their-ow... Ghengis Khan was the world's greatest Dad, in sheer numbers. Well, he was, 'til this creep started getting off on actual reproductive success. Sicko. Got his jollies breaking into sperm banks. They caught him of course, but not before he had fathered over 700 children. That we could identify. Not all of his sons felt the need. Some were really nice kids.…

The Genghis Khan thing doesn't really say much - there's a statistical near-certainty that liteally everyone today is descended from every single human that 7000 years ago (whose line didn't die out obviously).

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Post by turtlecloud »

Simple solution is to just work with a fertility doc who is female or a person of a different race than picked sperm. Will be obvious if child is mixed.

I am worried about future ethics of DNA sequencing. Esp if lab techs are corrupted. That will prob be the future - bastard children at scale.

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Post by staticman2 »

tarunupaday wrote: post #38
buboard wrote: post #19

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> From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. In fact the entirety of laws are opposed to darwinism Plus we re probably the last generations that care for darwinism? It won't take long before it becomes normal to engineer your children.

>Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. While some laws are created to protect the weakest; a lot of inheritance, marriage and family laws follow their rationale directly from Darwinism.

Marriage and family laws predate Darwin and have nothing to do with "Darwinism". They are products of, in anything, human social psychology.

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Post by alistairSH »

tluyben2 wrote: post #32
alistairSH wrote: post #17

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On the flip side, once you reach maturity, why should you have any right to the estate of your deceased relatives?

Because they decided to put you here while you had no choice? What does maturity have to do with anything? Many people of whatever age have issues taking care of themselves. Not after being deceased but where would Trump be without getting bailouts from his fathers estate? I guess it depends what you are used to anyway. For me it seems weird as I am born in a country where it is illegal to cut your spouse and kids, f…

Maturity matters only in as much as at some point most societies assume you’ll be able to care for yourself (and your parents have no more legal responsibility to fund your life). 18 in the US.

I suppose if your standpoint is “I’m due their assets because they made me” that’s fine. I’m not sure I agree, but it’s a valid view. My own perspective, I’m a functional adult. Inheriting my parents estate would be nice, but if society decided tomorrow that estates all went to solving childhood hunger, I wouldn’t lose any sleep.

Edit: I’m only talking about inheritance. Child support exists for a reason and should continue to do so. In the case of illegal, anonymous sperm donors, they should pay it like everybody else.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

wtdata wrote: post #25
buboard wrote: post #22

The white lies we tell each other to make society work are coming out one at a time. That's why france disallows paternity tests. Then again is society ready to move beyond the nuclear family? i dont think so

Can you clarify your rationale about why France banned paternity tests?

They believe what makes you a father is that you accepted that social role on the day of birth, not the bloodline. You have an opportunity to ask for a blood test before you make that legal compact but not after.

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Post by Scoundreller »

lxmorj wrote: post #18
Fnoord wrote: post #11

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Here in The Netherlands it is possible, but only for 50%. So if you have 3 children, and you disinherit one (which is morally defend-able under certain circumstances) then that one gets (1/3) / 2 = 1/6 and the other two get 2/6 + 1/12 = 5/12 (or 4.5/6). In percentages that is 16,66666667% and 41,66666667%. I find it a fair middle ground.

The only way to cut out little Johnny is to have a few dozen more kids, then!

Or die broke because you gave everything away before you bit the dust.
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