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Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by Fnoord »

Scoundreller wrote: post #8
knbknb wrote: post #7

If the adult child finds out what happened, and the insemination doctor is still alive, is the child then entitled to a part of the doctor's (future) heritage? Or if the child finds out when it is still small, or a teenager, will the child be entitled for child support payments from the doctor?

For the inheritance, not if there’s a will. But not all countries let you disinherit your children.

Here in The Netherlands it is possible, but only for 50%. So if you have 3 children, and you disinherit one (which is morally defend-able under certain circumstances) then that one gets (1/3) / 2 = 1/6 and the other two get 2/6 + 1/12 = 5/12 (or 4.5/6). In percentages that is 16,66666667% and 41,66666667%.

I find it a fair middle ground.

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by hirundo »

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know.

From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is entirely unacceptable from our cultural perspective.

So to a Darwinian insemination doctor this may be something like a perfect crime, in that there is no prospective punishment that outweighs the benefits.

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by mirimir »

knbknb wrote: post #7

If the adult child finds out what happened, and the insemination doctor is still alive, is the child then entitled to a part of the doctor's (future) heritage? Or if the child finds out when it is still small, or a teenager, will the child be entitled for child support payments from the doctor?

Yes, the child or guardian could sue to establish paternity. If established, there would be child support, and inheritance rights.[0]

The man currently considered the father could also sue to challenge paternity.[1]

0) https://family.findlaw.com/paternity/chronology-establishing...

1) https://family.findlaw.com/paternity/challenging-paternity.h...

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by taneq »

kuzehanka wrote: post #4
taneq wrote: post #2

If it was about a couple going to a doctor and the doctor replacing the man's sperm with his own, I'd understand this, but if a woman goes to a doctor and asks for a sample from an anonymous donor with no further stipulations then I don't see why the donor shouldn't be the doctor. Of course, they should have been open about it, but still.

Anonymous yes, random no, at least not that I have ever heard of. You get a catalogue of various physical and socioeconomic traits from anonymous donors and pick the one that you want. Replacing that with any other is certainly fraud.

If that's the case then yeah, that's absolutely not alright. :S

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by alistairSH »

tluyben2 wrote: post #9
Scoundreller wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the inheritance, not if there’s a will. But not all countries let you disinherit your children.

> But not all countries let you disinherit your children. For me it is very weird that some countries do allow it. I did not ask to be born.

On the flip side, once you reach maturity, why should you have any right to the estate of your deceased relatives?

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by lxmorj »

Fnoord wrote: post #11
Scoundreller wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the inheritance, not if there’s a will. But not all countries let you disinherit your children.

Here in The Netherlands it is possible, but only for 50%. So if you have 3 children, and you disinherit one (which is morally defend-able under certain circumstances) then that one gets (1/3) / 2 = 1/6 and the other two get 2/6 + 1/12 = 5/12 (or 4.5/6). In percentages that is 16,66666667% and 41,66666667%. I find it a fair middle ground.

The only way to cut out little Johnny is to have a few dozen more kids, then!

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by buboard »

hirundo wrote: post #12

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…

> From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient,

Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. In fact the entirety of laws are opposed to darwinism

Plus we re probably the last generations that care for darwinism? It won't take long before it becomes normal to engineer your children.

Re: Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

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Post by [deleted] »

buboard wrote: post #19
hirundo wrote: post #12

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…

> From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. In fact the entirety of laws are opposed to darwinism Plus we re probably the last generations that care for darwinism? It won't take long before it becomes normal to engineer your children.

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