Fertility Fraud: Artificial insemination doctors who used their own sperm

Post by almog » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:05 PM UTC

jobigoud wrote: post #10

People at 23AndMe could run an anonymized query on their dataset to extract networks of lineages and see highly connected individuals. It would be fascinating to see some people with hundreds of offsprings because they are sperm donors. What if their own children become sperm donors, etc. If two persons are born from sperm donors I imagine they have to check in case they are siblings or closely related.

Post by Dude2030 » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:08 PM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #12

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…

Post by wtdata » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:11 PM UTC

buboard wrote: post #22

The white lies we tell each other to make society work are coming out one at a time. That's why france disallows paternity tests. Then again is society ready to move beyond the nuclear family? i dont think so

Post by buboard » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:15 PM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #24

buboard wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. In fact the entirety of laws are opposed to darwinism Plus we re probably the last generations that care for darwinism? It won't take long before it becomes normal to engineer your children.

> Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. To a Darwinian rapist / insemination fraudster / seduction fraudster, this is a kind of loophole that he can slip through. Modern law doesn't sufficiently incentivise him to desist.

Post by lota-putty » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 12:16 PM UTC

Dude2030 wrote: post #23

hirundo wrote: post #12

In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…

Did you know France banned paternity tests?