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Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by norswap »

seren wrote: post #24
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

Even if I can understand some Brexit fatigue, I believe this is a short-sighted view, even if they are out of the EU, geography won't change, so the UK will have to keep cooperating with continental Europe. A weak UK, that would become the pawn of another super power, would be bad news, for both UK and EU. I think this is sad that UK is leaving but no matter what, they will remain our ally and partner.

If any positive may come out of this debacle, it's to set a precedent that leaving the EU is a bad idea.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by sma222k0n »

2a0c40 wrote: post #3

Sometimes I can‘t help thinking whether the UK is just the US‘ trojan horse in the EU. Well, things might change quite a bit after October 31st, so hurry up!

It's not the only trojan horse in EU

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/world/europe/germany-is-a...

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by throwaway744678 »

miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

Regarding fingerprints, let's not forget that non-police system (eg. biometric passports) only register a subset of flat prints. On French passports, only two fingers are saved, and the prints are 'flat' - not rolled . Those are usable as a verification (is the holder of the document the actual owner?), but would prove very hard to use to identify someone out of a crowd (whose prints are on this gun/knife/glass?).

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by barry-cotter »

toyg wrote: post #41
arethuza wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could all get very messy - I think it is is highly likely that Scotland will want a second independence referendum as a major argument for staying in the union the last time was that it meant Scotland would stay in the EU. However, I also think the current government is also unlikely to allow a second referendum, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Government decided to have one anyway. Edit: To be clear:…

Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.

Support for Scottish independence is greater in England than it is in Scotland. The U.K. isn’t Spain, the English are no more likely to keep the Scots in by force than the Canadians were going to keep Quebec in by force.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by HenryBemis »

toyg wrote: post #41
arethuza wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could all get very messy - I think it is is highly likely that Scotland will want a second independence referendum as a major argument for staying in the union the last time was that it meant Scotland would stay in the EU. However, I also think the current government is also unlikely to allow a second referendum, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Scottish Government decided to have one anyway. Edit: To be clear:…

Yeah, it’s going to be Catalunya all over again. Except Scotland is not a little province, and if the SNP is forced underground, stuff will start to blow up for real.

Scotland has Oil. England has gone through so much trouble over so many centuries with murders, wars, manipulation, lies, propaganda, provocacia, and other dark methods to ensure that England will rule over the UK/GB, so Scotland and Northern Ireland (to leave UK/GB and rejoin it's natural/geographical state - Irelad) will have to try very hard for independence from England and towards EU.

And it is a pity for this, especially after enjoying so many years of peace.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by benj111 »

Zenst wrote: post #30
malka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a french, I cant wait for them to be out. They spent the last 50 years trying to sabotage the EU. They want to leave ? Good riddance.

I will agree the UK has never really embraced the whole EU project as it has become. I also agree that in many votes, the UK has been the stumbling block and with that did anybody in the UK and those wanting to keep the UK in the EU ever asked themselves - what is best for the EU? I did and that is why I voted leave myself - better for the EU and the UK. That was my reason for voting as I did. Equally, many area's in…

So how should the UK leave the EU? As the vote wasn't held on the basis of leaving without a deal, and you don't want a 2nd vote to ask an actionable question.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by arethuza »

viraptor wrote: post #49
arethuza wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a phone call with the Inland Revenue where they collected most of my details by an automated voice based system - which worked flawlessly . This came as a slight surprise as literally no other voice activated system works for me in any way that is remotely usable (Apple, Android, whatever is in my car...). I wonder where they get their voice recognition technology from? ;-)

Highly targeted voice recognition is much simpler to train, which makes endpoints like inland revenue much more accurate than generic voice assistants. In many cases this is a problem of "did you say one of these 20 things" vs "let's try to transcribe every one of these words from a full dictionary".

Yeah that makes sense, still it was a lot better than other systems I've used when I've phoned support lines for some commercial companies.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by submeta »

I reckon the five eyes were sharing these kinds of infos for years. After the Snowden revelations I tend to think that there ain‘t no info about us citizens that the three letter organizations don‘t have or cannot have. Phone call logs, personal infos, medical records, everything we can think of. If they are interested in something, they‘ll get it. Sucks big time. But it seems ain‘t nothing we can do about it.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by patrickmcnamara »

billsmithaustin wrote: post #14
draugadrotten wrote: post #4

This begs the question if UK/EU got a copy of all the US citizens ' fingerprints in return. It is possible to commit treason against your own country. Can someone commit treason against the EU? Is it a criminal offense?

There isn’t a database of every US citizen’s fingerprints.

Nor is there in the EU.

The only government that has my fingerprint is the US, despite being an Irishman.

Re: The UK authorities made illegal copies of the Schengen Information System

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Post by ptaipale »

pknight wrote: post #12
miahi wrote: post #7

The title is incorrect. The Schengen Information System does not keep data for "all EU citizens", it only keeps such data for wanted persons, missing/stolen identity documents or objects (like cars, boats and so on). There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries).

>There is no centralized database for EU citizens photos or fingerprints (not even at national level in many countries). "The database will aggregate the details of more than 350 million people, including their identifying information, such as names, passport number, dates of birth, as well as biometrics like fingerprints and facial scans." https://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/3074472/eu-parliament-v...

>"will aggregate"

This was an announced intention in April this year. The implementation of this decision probably needs further approvals and ratifications, and even after that, it takes time. The source material does not even exist, and I expect that in some EU countries collecting this data of all citizens will not be possible due to country legislation. Thus this is certainly far from complete, if even started at all.

It's safe to say that there is no database of 350 million EU citizens' fingerprints that anyone could copy.

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