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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by nbevans »

dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

They already have. This only affects the "International Firmware" editions of Huawei phones/tablets. The Chinese editions of these devices are unaffected because those already use AOSP.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by emptyfile »

v7p1Qbt1im wrote: post #35
josteink wrote: post #31

First Google time-bombs their Nest-devices, and now they’ve created precedent for time-bombing huge swaths of Android-devices too. All in less than a week. You’d be crazy to invest deeply into anything Google at this point. Edit: This clearly shows the weakness with the android software update delivery mechanism and architecture. If you install windows on a Chinese laptop, there is no way Microsoft is going to block…

It‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame. Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

As a European customer I couldn't care less if Martians were to blame... simply put I won't ever put a penny in Google's pocket if they brick my phone.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by voltagex_ »

throw20102010 wrote: post #21
dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

Most Chinese versions of Android are completely de-Googled[1]- no Play store, no Maps, no GMail, etc. They have their own app store, web browser, and everything else. They are still based on Android, but it's not a stretch to think that most Chinese phone manufacturers could fork the open source project tomorrow. As soon as Google goes too far against the Chinese government, the manufacturers will receive a notice th…

The big problem I have is that what happens when that unlock site goes away?

When I bought my Mi4c, it wasn't getting an update I knew was released. When I ran a packet capture, I found it was trying to hit "udate.xiaomi.com" instead of "update.xiaomi.com". I was eventually able to unlock and reflash the phone manually.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by adventured »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #40

This is ominous for Apple as well, being the poster child of American industry. China could retaliate by disrupting Apple's supply chain, but I don't think it will happen as it would put a huge question mark over China as a component supplier for every single industry.

It's not ominous at all. China can't retaliate in that manner if they want Huawei to remain a functioning business.

The US controls nearly all aspects of the global technology industry. It can rather smash Huawei any time it chooses to, ZTE style, by entirely revoking Huawei's access to critical components (and a lot of markets).

Without China, Apple remains the most profitable company on earth and can safely, entirely abandon China. Taiwan I'll note is not China.

Huawei on the other hand can't survive as is without US technology. They'd lose at least 3/4 of their business and most likely end up in bankruptcy.

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Post by estranhosidade »

maccard wrote: post #44
rqs wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could go one step further: Build another open source OS that can run Android app but not Android. Many Chinese companies already tried it (non-open source though) before but been persuaded not to, I guess they're feeling a little bit different now. The good part is, by building that OS, the domestic tech communities could receive a huge boost. So far for Huawei, Google's blockage is partly useless. As long as Huawe…

> As long as Huawei can sell device globally, they can just build their devices in such way that allowing their users to load custom ROM into it without effect warranty The number of people who will buy a device without Android just to sideload Android on to it is absolutely miniscule. My girlfriend and parents (who all have Huawei devices) absolutely would not.

It's true. I mean, there are people using freaking bing just because it is the default search engine on Windows.

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Post by praveenweb »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #40

This is ominous for Apple as well, being the poster child of American industry. China could retaliate by disrupting Apple's supply chain, but I don't think it will happen as it would put a huge question mark over China as a component supplier for every single industry.

Apple is also slowly building a backup supply chain in India to handle such retaliation by China.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by gcatalfamo »

Warning: Personal opinion, so treat it as such.

Regardless of this being mandated or not, they are sacking the best Android flagship representative thus leaving the market open to others.

Huawei is huge outside US and their latest phones are a better purchase than Samsung, more performant but most importantly they age slower which is a critical thing for an Android device.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by NotPaidToPost »

This is really an appalling decision by the US government that brings us back to the darkest days of colonialism and Western exploitation: Gunboat diplomacy in full swing.

China is lucky to be too big to be actually bombed these days...

I think this will prove extremely significant because all the recent history of China (last 150 years) has been about freeing themselves from that.

In the short term this decision will likely harm China but it will also make them double down on developing their own tech and thus may end up hurting US companies in the long term: When China doesn't need Google, Intel, etc. then what leverage will the US have for blackmail? None.

Time is on China's side.

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Post by yourfate »

muzani wrote: post #38
dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

I'd actually love to jump on a quality phone that's not using the Google ecosystem. Except that I'm not so sure the Huawei ecosystem is less evil.

There is one small american company that makes those. They have some fruit as their logo...

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by NotPaidToPost »

dx034 wrote: post #42
muzani wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd actually love to jump on a quality phone that's not using the Google ecosystem. Except that I'm not so sure the Huawei ecosystem is less evil.

That's why Huawei would probably benefit from using an independent ecosystem, together with Samsung, Sony, etc. They could set it up in Singapore or Hong Kong to avoid political issues and share the profits. At the same time you get US-critics to buy those phones instead of Google or Apple controlled ones. Not sure though how inclined the other manufacturers are to work with each other.

Korea and Japan are American vassals on the one hand, and wary of China's growing power on the other.

So I guess that they won't want to "get in bed" with China on this.

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