Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones • Hacker News Board

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by busymom0 » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:24 AM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #8

nightfly wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US Huawei has a tiny market share, and worldwide only about 8%. http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/united-... http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile

Is this site missing css for anyone else too?

Seems like the css is missing for their mobile version of the site on iOS Safari

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:25 AM UTC

nightfly wrote: post #6

firekvz wrote: post #2

Of course, where else they gonna get money from

In the US Huawei has a tiny market share, and worldwide only about 8%. http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/united-... http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile

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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by panpanna » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:26 AM UTC

nightfly wrote: post #6

firekvz wrote: post #2

Of course, where else they gonna get money from

In the US Huawei has a tiny market share, and worldwide only about 8%. http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/united-... http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile

Huawei has zero (official) presence in US but they are 2nd/3rd globally.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by mongol » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:34 AM UTC

gonvaled wrote: post #3

Does this apply to phones being currently sold? If I buy today the Huawei P30 Pro, in amazon.de, will I have (and keep) access to Google services?

I don't think anyone knows. But it says existing and that phone is existing in customer pockets today.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by sigmar » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:35 AM UTC

gonvaled wrote: post #3

Does this apply to phones being currently sold? If I buy today the Huawei P30 Pro, in amazon.de, will I have (and keep) access to Google services?

my (well-informed but not expert) opinion is that you'll be able to use google services and the play store indefinitely, but that phone will not receive any more _system_ updates that maintain access to google services (since any android update w/ services baked in require google's cts and vts certification, which they will no longer perform for Huawei)

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by HunOL » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:36 AM UTC

nightfly wrote: post #6

firekvz wrote: post #2

Of course, where else they gonna get money from

In the US Huawei has a tiny market share, and worldwide only about 8%. http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/united-... http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile

As far as I understand this whole things affects globally and in Europe Huawei is doing quite good. According to your source within year they gained almost 4% and in some countries they are already doing quite good for instance in Italy (24%) or Poland (32%).

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by Magi604 » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:38 AM UTC

gonvaled wrote: post #3

Does this apply to phones being currently sold? If I buy today the Huawei P30 Pro, in amazon.de, will I have (and keep) access to Google services?

The P30 Huawei phones currently sitting on shelves should have all the major Google apps installed already, including the Play Store, and thus should fall into the "Existing Huawei Devices" category. I know this because I bought and returned two P30s (both defective) and settled on getting a P30 Pro.

I don't know what this means for phones that haven't been manufactured yet and whether Huawei will pre-load them with the G Apps.

The big question now is for how long "Google Play and the security protections from Google Play Protect will continue to function on existing Huawei devices." We'll probably find out more during the week.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by rqs » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:38 AM UTC

dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

I could go one step further: Build another open source OS that can run Android app but not Android. Many Chinese companies already tried it (non-open source though) before but been persuaded not to, I guess they're feeling a little bit different now.

The good part is, by building that OS, the domestic tech communities could receive a huge boost.

So far for Huawei, Google's blockage is partly useless. As long as Huawei can sell device globally, they can just build their devices in such way that allowing their users to load custom ROM into it without effect warranty, then their users can just use LineageOS (Huawei's Android UI is a crap anyway) or a Linux distro etc. (Maybe the first hackable phone from a major manufacturer)

BTW: In China, not a single one domestic phone manufacturer I know of ships Google service with their phone. So Google service is largely an non-existence.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by pmlnr » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:39 AM UTC

mongol wrote: post #9

dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

I don't think it is in Samsung's or Sony's interest.

so?

China alone is a bigger market for smartphones, than EU + US together.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by gonvaled » Mon, May 20, 2019, 6:42 AM UTC

sigmar wrote: post #15

gonvaled wrote: post #3

Does this apply to phones being currently sold? If I buy today the Huawei P30 Pro, in amazon.de, will I have (and keep) access to Google services?

my (well-informed but not expert) opinion is that you'll be able to use google services and the play store indefinitely, but that phone will not receive any more _system_ updates that maintain access to google services (since any android update w/ services baked in require google's cts and vts certification, which they will no longer perform for Huawei)

Are you saying that:

A) all Huawei phones (old or currently being sold) with Google services will keep access to the services, even in the long term?

B) the only effect fo the ban on current Huawei phones (old or currently being sold) will be that updates will be stopped?

A is good news, but B is catastrophic. This means that the effects of this ban will be to put Huawei customers at risk.

One thing is to prevent customers to access a given service. Another thing completely different is to allow access to a service, and then let those same customers down regarding security updates.

I hope that at least security updates will be allowed.