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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by josteink »

First Google time-bombs their Nest-devices, and now they’ve created precedent for time-bombing huge swaths of Android-devices too.

All in less than a week. You’d be crazy to invest deeply into anything Google at this point.

Edit: This clearly shows the weakness with the android software update delivery mechanism and architecture.

If you install windows on a Chinese laptop, there is no way Microsoft is going to block updates for your laptop in any way in the future.

However if you buy a Chinese android phone, there is no generic update pushed to everyone equally, but there has to be a specific update tailored for your device. And everyone (Google, vendor, telecom service providers) can block those updates from reaching you.

If Google wants Android to remain a viable platform in the future, they’ll need to fix that.

Make all devices use UEFI for ARM and boot genetic OS images made equally for everyone. Or anything else. Whatever works.

I don’t care how, they just need to fix this mess.

Edit 2: I was about to replace my iPhone SE with a Samsung Galaxy S10e (3.5mm jack, wireless charging). I'm now reconsidering and might just end up with a new iPhone instead.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by NolF »

gonvaled wrote: post #20
sigmar wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my (well-informed but not expert) opinion is that you'll be able to use google services and the play store indefinitely, but that phone will not receive any more _system_ updates that maintain access to google services (since any android update w/ services baked in require google's cts and vts certification, which they will no longer perform for Huawei)

Are you saying that: A) all Huawei phones (old or currently being sold) with Google services will keep access to the services, even in the long term? B) the only effect fo the ban on current Huawei phones (old or currently being sold) will be that updates will be stopped? A is good news, but B is catastrophic. This means that the effects of this ban will be to put Huawei customers at risk. One thing is to prevent cus…

Apparently they won't get CVEs ahead of time, so they'll have to patch them themselves once they are made public.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by maxdo »

I don’t support the decision to ban android for Huawei but ... how many companies in China been kicked from their market including Google , Facebook etc . Most of Chinese still saying that was right decision, so what’s wrong with kicking out one company due to espionage. No issues with let’s say one plus which is more popular in US and still Chinese.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by v7p1Qbt1im »

josteink wrote: post #31

First Google time-bombs their Nest-devices, and now they’ve created precedent for time-bombing huge swaths of Android-devices too. All in less than a week. You’d be crazy to invest deeply into anything Google at this point. Edit: This clearly shows the weakness with the android software update delivery mechanism and architecture. If you install windows on a Chinese laptop, there is no way Microsoft is going to block…

It‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame.

Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by generic_user »

bad_user wrote: post #23

And this is the danger of having so much power concentrated in a single country. Google might not want to do this, but they might need to, because they are a US company. Unfortunately this affects everyone. Why should Europeans care about US’s trade wars? And don’t get me wrong, I would never buy Huawei devices because they are made by a company owned by a communist party, but that’s my choice to make, not that of so…

The fundamental issues surrounding China 2025 which has prompted a shift in trade posture between the United States and China affect every other developed manufacturing nation in the world. Including Germany and the rest of the EU Nations.

Just because the EU has not gotten publicly involved does not mean that they are not involved privatively in negotiations. Europe along with Japan, Korea etc have the luxury to stay quiet because the US is taking a very public and direct strategy.

The US is the only Nation that can take that very public role.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by saagarjha »

throw20102010 wrote: post #21
dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

Most Chinese versions of Android are completely de-Googled[1]- no Play store, no Maps, no GMail, etc. They have their own app store, web browser, and everything else. They are still based on Android, but it's not a stretch to think that most Chinese phone manufacturers could fork the open source project tomorrow. As soon as Google goes too far against the Chinese government, the manufacturers will receive a notice th…

It's also important that WeChat is essentially the "operating system" for a large number of people in China.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by muzani »

dx034 wrote: post #7

So how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on…

I'd actually love to jump on a quality phone that's not using the Google ecosystem. Except that I'm not so sure the Huawei ecosystem is less evil.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by josteink »

v7p1Qbt1im wrote: post #35
josteink wrote: post #31

First Google time-bombs their Nest-devices, and now they’ve created precedent for time-bombing huge swaths of Android-devices too. All in less than a week. You’d be crazy to invest deeply into anything Google at this point. Edit: This clearly shows the weakness with the android software update delivery mechanism and architecture. If you install windows on a Chinese laptop, there is no way Microsoft is going to block…

It‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame. Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

> Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.

If that is true, that will be the basis of the biggest class action lawsuit in history, against Microsoft from every single company in Europe now being left vulnerable to attacks.

Microsoft knows that, which is why they will do everything in their power to ensure this is never happening.

Re: Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

This is ominous for Apple as well, being the poster child of American industry.

China could retaliate by disrupting Apple's supply chain, but I don't think it will happen as it would put a huge question mark over China as a component supplier for every single industry.

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