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Vodafone Found Hidden Backdoors in Huawei Equipment

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Re: Vodafone Found Hidden Backdoors in Huawei Equipment

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Post by bildung »

jeroenhd wrote: post #27
SiempreViernes wrote: post #19

> Abandoning Huawei for 5G, with Europe already lagging behind China and the U.S., could force them to rip out the supplier’s 4G gear Does anyone know what this is about? Both the need to rip out 4G gear if they don't want to use the new 5G stuff, and also the statement about Europe being behind China and the USA?

I think the idea is that Europe would rip out all Huawei components after the scandal, requiring a revamp of both 4G and 5G networks. I doubt the US is that much ahead of Europe. It's true 5G networks are yet to really roll out, but with the higher population density the 4G coverage and residential internet is better in most of Europe, making the current 4G network suffice for now for many people.

I doubt many in the US (and Europe) even have full 4G speeds, e.g. 1 gigabit/s downstream.

Re: Vodafone Found Hidden Backdoors in Huawei Equipment

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Post by te_chris »

wqwh wrote: post #24
0898 wrote: post #18

As Jon Gruber says: "Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services." "The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed by a single other publication (despite much…

So like any other media publication? They are all in the business of lying, for profit or otherwise. I assume people at Bloomberg shorted Huawei stock before they published that.

Account created 1 day ago....

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Post by Fnoord »

agumonkey wrote: post #39
negamax wrote: post #15

I can’t tell if this is true or an organized smear campaign against Huawei for monetary reasons.

Who would benefit from Huawei being out ? (genuinely curious)

I'm not sure but..

"There are only five companies in the world offering 5G radio hardware and 5G systems for carriers: Huawei, ZTE, Nokia, Samsung, and Ericsson" [1]

And I suppose Cisco?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G

Re: Vodafone Found Hidden Backdoors in Huawei Equipment

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Post by bildung »

swarnie_ wrote: post #46
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telecommunication is of strategic importance and the West has had a monopoly on it. This monopoly had ended and that makes some people uncomfortable. > Both Germany and the UK have cleared Huawei to take put in 5g rollouts France has as well, as they said that all suppliers will be treated equally and subject to the same security tests.

> France has as well, as they said that all suppliers will be treated equally and subject to the same security tests. This is the bit that gets me. I simply don't believe you would approve a supplier with a question mark over them without running it past GCHQ/MI5/MI6 ect..... Presumably Germany and France did the same thing with their security services. It leaves me wondering if the US know something their 3 closest…

As apparently no one who opposes Huawei seems to be bothered with e.g. Ciscos security track record, it has to be either corruption or ideology.

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Post by joaomacp »

icebraining wrote: post #48
O_H_E wrote: post #45

I was skeptical about "boycotting" China and Huawei for a long time; just thought that they make cheap phones, and innovative tech, so why not. I changed 180 degrees when I started learning about the growing Chinese influence, how politically corrupt they are, and the excessive violence and human rights violations exercised against minorities. China is growing its economic dominance very quickly. They are gaining man…

What do you suggest we do? I'm asking in good faith; I think the worries of the influence of the CPC in the world are valid, but China can't simply be boycotted like any small country, and it's also not clear to me those boycotts (Cuba, Iran, etc) really effect change.

I think it's important to show our governments that we're worried about this influence. Hopefully they'll react to that and move closer to the people's wants (you know, like democracies are supposed to work)

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Post by neilv »

wqwh wrote: post #24
0898 wrote: post #18

As Jon Gruber says: "Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” in October — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services." "The story presented no confirmable evidence at all, was vehemently denied by all companies involved, has not been confirmed by a single other publication (despite much…

So like any other media publication? They are all in the business of lying, for profit or otherwise. I assume people at Bloomberg shorted Huawei stock before they published that.

Consider that some of these parties you're throwing mud at, based on assumptions, might not be deserving of mud. If news is making one cynical, maybe take a break, and look for parties deserving of flowers, keeping the mud in reserve.

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Post by tpetry »

swarnie_ wrote: post #46
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telecommunication is of strategic importance and the West has had a monopoly on it. This monopoly had ended and that makes some people uncomfortable. > Both Germany and the UK have cleared Huawei to take put in 5g rollouts France has as well, as they said that all suppliers will be treated equally and subject to the same security tests.

> France has as well, as they said that all suppliers will be treated equally and subject to the same security tests. This is the bit that gets me. I simply don't believe you would approve a supplier with a question mark over them without running it past GCHQ/MI5/MI6 ect..... Presumably Germany and France did the same thing with their security services. It leaves me wondering if the US know something their 3 closest…

I guess it's mostly ideological. The US has been spying on europeans for _years_. All these leaks by Snowden showed really good how they threat europeans. Everything which has been leaked can't be used anymore. So if you want to continue spying on telecommunications you need to have some control. There's nothing more easy than a smearing campaign against the only other big telecommunications vendor and putting some pressure on the decision makers behind curtains.

For any european country there's no difference between spying equipment from the US or China.

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Post by tempguy9999 »

swarnie_ wrote: post #13

Has anyone else noticed the increased "scrutiny" the US has been putting on Chinese companies recently? Huawei seems to be the biggest example and its worrying me because they are starting to strong arm EU allies to follow in their footsteps. Both Germany and the UK have cleared Huawei to take put in 5g rollouts against the USA's wishes. I'm not sure who to side with here, the company with multiple allegations agains…

> Try not to dismiss this because its not dripping in pro-usa sentiment

I find your presumption, that other people are more biased than you, somewhat offensive.

> i'm interested to hear what people inside the bubble think.

I find your presumption, that other people are less capable of independent thought than you, very offensive.

My experience from posting elsewhere is that a thoughtful post is surprisingly well taken even if it's not pretty. Actual case, I posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19783291 last night and expected to get crucified because... well, for obvious reasons. I very nearly didn't post. It actually got upvoted. So, steppenwolf, don't assume the worst of people.

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Post by mschuster91 »

gloflo wrote: post #35
swarnie_ wrote: post #13

Has anyone else noticed the increased "scrutiny" the US has been putting on Chinese companies recently? Huawei seems to be the biggest example and its worrying me because they are starting to strong arm EU allies to follow in their footsteps. Both Germany and the UK have cleared Huawei to take put in 5g rollouts against the USA's wishes. I'm not sure who to side with here, the company with multiple allegations agains…

Absolutely, I find the increase of our politics and media attacking 'The Russians' and 'The Chinese' in recent years very concerning. Especially with the lack of reflection on our own actions both nationally and internationally. Like pervasive surveillance, hacking, military aggression and influencing elections, just to name a few.

> Absolutely, I find the increase of our politics and media attacking 'The Russians' and 'The Chinese' in recent years very concerning.

I rather find it concerning that Russia has been financing the far-right, nationalist and anti-European parties that have risen over entire Europe, and that China is using debt as political leverage to gain power over poor African countries.

Add to this that many Western companies and politicians only look for the next quarter/election results and not 10, 20 or heaven forbid 50 years in the future... while this is precisely what Russia and China are doing. A splintered EU won't do a thing when Russia once again screws over human rights, and no one in deep debts to China (or with all manufacturing outsourced to China...) will dare criticize them when they start executing the Uyghur Muslims.

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Post by jsty »

wqwh wrote: post #32
tikkabhuna wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Economist frequently publishes corrections. I've also seen them note when one of their stakeholders is also linked to the topic of an article.

By the time they publish a correction it's late; they've already made money.

Given the price differential between subscribing and on-stand, I'd imagine most of their regular readership has paid before ink hits paper.
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