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When AT&T has so willingly handed over call data to the U.S. intelligence agencies for decades, even assisting in the analysis of said data, I have to question the assault on Huawei by U.S. media.
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Funny how this works. There exist a whole range of actions for which I'd much more be willing to be spied upon by an openly hostile foreign power rather than my, ever so slightly friendlier, own government.
That’s very shortsighted. First of all the spying that your own government does has to be lawful, whereas in the eyes of a foreign government you have no rights. Also in your own country you have legal ways to fight the spying conducted by your government, whereas you can do absolutely nothing to a foreign government. I’m an EU citizen and this is precisely why I got mad about the Snowden revelations. Because under U…
Do you think the Snowden leaks showed clear violations of the 4th amendment to the US constitution? If so, this whole argument is null and void. Believing that a surveillance state will follow it's own laws is just plain silly, that's not how the world works.
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You're looking at it from a 'justice' perspective. It's much easier to explain the attitudes from an 'us-vs-them' perspective: US spying is used to give the US an advantage. Chinese spying is to give China an advantage. It's a lot like complaining about armed Chinese soldiers stationed in the US, only to be met by "Well our own soldiers are also armed".
I think you're describing the real politic situation between the US and China correctly, but as somebody who is in a country controlled by armed US soldiers I'm more concerned about being spied on by the US than China. If you don't identify with the corrupt government you live under the us-vs-them division seems fairly meaningless. It's not like the NSA is looking out for my best interests, or else they'd be patching…
Edit: To clarify, by 'the situation', I mean general quality of life/effective freedom, not necessarily limited to surveillance.
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You should absolutely question the US intelligence community and its relationship with the business community. And I'm sure you do. You should also be suspicious of China, for exactly the same reason. And the fact that you explicitly refuse to (and get upvoted to the top of the topic by the HN community!) is... well, it's fucking horrifying. Seriously folks? You're so pissed at the NSA that the PRC is a "good guy" to…
Let me try to give you my personal perspective. Not a fan of the PRC (though strangely fascinated), I'm from western Europe. China has little to no influence here, the US has gigantic influence. China hasn't been wholesale spying on us, or hasn't been caught doing that yet. The US has, and probably still does. Chinese companies don't practically have monopolies here, US companies do. From my perspective, China might…
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I think you're describing the real politic situation between the US and China correctly, but as somebody who is in a country controlled by armed US soldiers I'm more concerned about being spied on by the US than China. If you don't identify with the corrupt government you live under the us-vs-them division seems fairly meaningless. It's not like the NSA is looking out for my best interests, or else they'd be patching…
Do you believe the situation would be improved if China had greater influence, in the US and globally? Edit: To clarify, by 'the situation', I mean general quality of life/effective freedom, not necessarily limited to surveillance.
When the soviets were still a credible threat, the West needed to give their lower classes a piece of the pie because of the sweet promises the soviets spoke of (it doesn't matter whether they ever fulfilled them). Now that that's gone, they don't, and my country hasn't seen net wage increases for workers for multiple decades despite huge increases in productivity. We have seen a drop on corporate taxes and more tax evasion for the ultra rich, though.
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I think you're describing the real politic situation between the US and China correctly, but as somebody who is in a country controlled by armed US soldiers I'm more concerned about being spied on by the US than China. If you don't identify with the corrupt government you live under the us-vs-them division seems fairly meaningless. It's not like the NSA is looking out for my best interests, or else they'd be patching…
Do you believe the situation would be improved if China had greater influence, in the US and globally? Edit: To clarify, by 'the situation', I mean general quality of life/effective freedom, not necessarily limited to surveillance.
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Let me try to give you my personal perspective. Not a fan of the PRC (though strangely fascinated), I'm from western Europe. China has little to no influence here, the US has gigantic influence. China hasn't been wholesale spying on us, or hasn't been caught doing that yet. The US has, and probably still does. Chinese companies don't practically have monopolies here, US companies do. From my perspective, China might…
Some us care more about the threat posted by the PRC to its own people, FWIW. I mean, look, if you want to argue from a position of Euro-centric parochialism... I don't live there, so I don't need to care about that logic, right?
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Do you believe the situation would be improved if China had greater influence, in the US and globally? Edit: To clarify, by 'the situation', I mean general quality of life/effective freedom, not necessarily limited to surveillance.
Personally, I believe so, yes. When you have two competing powers, neither can abuse their power as much. Ideally, it wouldn't be just two, but two are better than one. If the EU could emancipate itself from the US, that would be a very welcome addition, but I don't see that happening anytime soon because the EU is made up of many interests and has no single government (and I'd love to have less EU, but for other rea…
USA is right to fear them. Spying issues aside (for a second) here is this giant company that easily take over the worldwide smartphone market. The very things USA has controlled since Jobs and Gates started. Oh, and they can spy on everyone. For the "You too" crowd: Yes, NSA spies on whatever they can. But you do not see Apple or Google doing what NSA wants. I have a feeling that Huawei doesn't have the option of go…
I really feel that HN has some really unusual behavior when criticizing China. Almost always, HN defends China by throwing rocks at US. It is really baffling.
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Some us care more about the threat posted by the PRC to its own people, FWIW. I mean, look, if you want to argue from a position of Euro-centric parochialism... I don't live there, so I don't need to care about that logic, right?
Possibly, but that might also just be a rationalization for protecting your interests which are generally aligned with those of your country. There are many variables, but I don't think that "China mistreats it's people" isn't high on the list for "We need to keep Huawei out and rely on US technology only". Technological and economic influence/power are much more important, Realpolitik wins every time.
Are you absolutely sure it's me doing the "rationalization for protecting your interests which are generally aligned with those of your country"?