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Who's Behind Huawei?

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Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by dis-sys »

shittyadmin wrote: post #32
seneca wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While both are reprehensible behavior, supply information to the US government and being fundamentally linked with the Chinese Communist government aren't even close. It's like comparing a school yard bully to a serial killer. Political dissenters don't disappear when AT&T shares information with the FBI. We really need to question how so many Westerners have gotten to a point that they some how see an equivalence.

I think the main factor here is that the Chinese government spying on me likely would have no impact on my life, while the US government spying on me has a direct impact. So as an average US citizen, I should be far more concerned about US spying than Chinese spying. I absolutely agree though, I'd be far more afraid of using a Chinese device as a Chinese citizen than as an American citizen using an American device. C…

> I feel it's reasonable for an individual to be concerned about your own country's human rights abuses first and foremost as those are the ones you're personally most likely to contend with.

That is why you should tell your government to stop making such false claims against Huawei and violate your human rights.

When your government keeps telling your that Huawei is spying on US citizens, what is the evidence they have? If there is no evidence, how such behaviour is not for intentionally creating fear to US citizens? How that is not human right abuse?

Trust yourself, you deserve to know the truth and see the evidence, you don't have to live in the fear created by the government funded using your tax $. Tell them to show you the evidence or just shut their big mouth up.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by Spooky23 »

andybak wrote: post #38

> Most Americans have never heard of Huawei, in part because it has been obsessed with secrecy since its founding in 1987 They're not terribly good at this secrecy lark, then. The phone sitting on my desk has got "Huawei" written on the front in big letters and has the word "Huawei" filling the screen every time it boots.

Few people heard of them until they were making knockoff Cisco devices 15-20 years ago.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by dis-sys »

seneca wrote: post #19
theNextEpisode wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America have committed plenty of atrocities. Just because you're on their side doesn't make them blameless.

Where did I say they were blameless? There are varying degrees of bad behavior, and while the US Government has a whole host of actions they can be validly criticized for, they're not even in the same ball park as the PRC. As I said, we really need to consider how so many Westerners have become so blind to that fact that this weak whataboutism can we depended on when any mention of China is made.

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Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by bad_user »

spectramax wrote: post #29
onetimemanytime wrote: post #14

USA is right to fear them. Spying issues aside (for a second) here is this giant company that easily take over the worldwide smartphone market. The very things USA has controlled since Jobs and Gates started. Oh, and they can spy on everyone. For the "You too" crowd: Yes, NSA spies on whatever they can. But you do not see Apple or Google doing what NSA wants. I have a feeling that Huawei doesn't have the option of go…

I really feel that HN has some really unusual behavior when criticizing China. Almost always, HN defends China by throwing rocks at US. It is really baffling.

That’s because HN is filled with shills.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by zarkov99 »

theNextEpisode wrote: post #12
seneca wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While both are reprehensible behavior, supply information to the US government and being fundamentally linked with the Chinese Communist government aren't even close. It's like comparing a school yard bully to a serial killer. Political dissenters don't disappear when AT&T shares information with the FBI. We really need to question how so many Westerners have gotten to a point that they some how see an equivalence.

America have committed plenty of atrocities. Just because you're on their side doesn't make them blameless.

Nobody is blameless, but some nations have better track records than others, and America's, all things considered, is pretty good for a superpower.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by luckylion »

ajross wrote: post #39
charlescearl wrote: post #3

When AT&T has so willingly handed over call data to the U.S. intelligence agencies for decades, even assisting in the analysis of said data, I have to question the assault on Huawei by U.S. media.

You should absolutely question the US intelligence community and its relationship with the business community. And I'm sure you do. You should also be suspicious of China, for exactly the same reason. And the fact that you explicitly refuse to (and get upvoted to the top of the topic by the HN community!) is... well, it's fucking horrifying. Seriously folks? You're so pissed at the NSA that the PRC is a "good guy" to…

Let me try to give you my personal perspective. Not a fan of the PRC (though strangely fascinated), I'm from western Europe. China has little to no influence here, the US has gigantic influence. China hasn't been wholesale spying on us, or hasn't been caught doing that yet. The US has, and probably still does. Chinese companies don't practically have monopolies here, US companies do.

From my perspective, China might become a threat at some point, the US is a giant threat right now. I have a feeling that I'm not alone with that, and it might explain why you get a more nuanced reaction from Non-Americans to the China/US-conflict.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by spectramax »

luckylion wrote: post #36
spectramax wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel that HN has some really unusual behavior when criticizing China. Almost always, HN defends China by throwing rocks at US. It is really baffling.

I'm reading this differently. To most Americans, the issue is pretty clear: American geopolitics, industrial espionage and global surveillance benefits them, China doing the same does not. For Non-Americans, it's different, therefore their reactions aren't as simple as US good, China bad.

I don't think so. There can only be the following explanations for this behavior:

-> A) People don't know how bad it is in China

-> B) People support authoritarian government over democracy

-> C) People do not support USA or have some deep rooted hatred for the country which gets channeled through US vs China debate

-> D) There is a large pro-China population on HN, perhaps immigrants to US, perhaps people from China, perhaps folks from other countries who support China

This is tribalism at its most glorified form. Instead of debating issues in isolation, we are engaging in this barbaric form of debate where facts take a back seat and rhetoric and nationalism prevail.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by matz1 »

tyingq wrote: post #28
matz1 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your point ? even if its impossible to do it 100%, at least they tried. Its their choice.

I think the question is whether it even approaches 1% for anything with electronics in it. Can you buy a car, phone, PC, etc, that has zero made or assembled in China subsystems?

The percentages is irrelevant, you have to start from somewhere and keep making incremental progress toward your goal, however tiny it may.

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Post by blotter_paper »

deogeo wrote: post #31
charlescearl wrote: post #3

When AT&T has so willingly handed over call data to the U.S. intelligence agencies for decades, even assisting in the analysis of said data, I have to question the assault on Huawei by U.S. media.

You're looking at it from a 'justice' perspective. It's much easier to explain the attitudes from an 'us-vs-them' perspective: US spying is used to give the US an advantage. Chinese spying is to give China an advantage. It's a lot like complaining about armed Chinese soldiers stationed in the US, only to be met by "Well our own soldiers are also armed".

I think you're describing the real politic situation between the US and China correctly, but as somebody who is in a country controlled by armed US soldiers I'm more concerned about being spied on by the US than China. If you don't identify with the corrupt government you live under the us-vs-them division seems fairly meaningless. It's not like the NSA is looking out for my best interests, or else they'd be patching vulnerabilities instead of exploiting them.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by joaomacp »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #11
joaomacp wrote: post #4

I have personally decided to avoid buying 'Made in China' products whenever it's possible. It's hard, but I don't want to support their work conditions or predatory geoeconomics in any way.

What kind of computer are you posting from?

I bought it before I committed to this decision, and as others have said it's nearly impossible to avoid Made In China products completely, but here goes:

USA companies: Corsair - case, PSU; Intel - CPU; Razer (also has HQ in HongKong/Singapore) - mouse;

Taiwanese companies: MSI - motherboard and GPU; ASUS - monitor; CoolerMaster - keyboard;

Of course most of them buy stuff from Chinese suppliers, but you can only do so much.

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