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Who's Behind Huawei?

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Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by ta531531531 »

theNextEpisode wrote: post #12
seneca wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While both are reprehensible behavior, supply information to the US government and being fundamentally linked with the Chinese Communist government aren't even close. It's like comparing a school yard bully to a serial killer. Political dissenters don't disappear when AT&T shares information with the FBI. We really need to question how so many Westerners have gotten to a point that they some how see an equivalence.

America have committed plenty of atrocities. Just because you're on their side doesn't make them blameless.

"not blameless" != "equally bad"

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by thepangolino »

brandonmenc wrote: post #6
charlescearl wrote: post #3

When AT&T has so willingly handed over call data to the U.S. intelligence agencies for decades, even assisting in the analysis of said data, I have to question the assault on Huawei by U.S. media.

Because one is a not totally un-hostile foreign government, and the other is not.

Funny how this works. There exist a whole range of actions for which I'd much more be willing to be spied upon by an openly hostile foreign power rather than my, ever so slightly friendlier, own government.

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Post by burtonator »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #20
charlescearl wrote: post #3

When AT&T has so willingly handed over call data to the U.S. intelligence agencies for decades, even assisting in the analysis of said data, I have to question the assault on Huawei by U.S. media.

The argument in this article is not that Huawei is handing over data, or anything else AT&T has been accused of. It's that Huawei is secretly a front for the Chinese government.

So basically the exact same thing as AT&T ...

AT&T worked with the US government to spy on Americans and foreign nationals and then when they were bused the US government gave them retroactive immunity.

BTW.. Retroactive immunity is illegal for criminal cases but it's perfectly ok for civil cases.

Ex post facto...

This was a complete miscarriage of justice.

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Post by ancorevard »

algoritmi wrote: post #8
ancorevard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you equate AT&T's said practices with Huawei's practices, then you just answered your own question. The Chinese Communist Party is not friend of freedom, nor of free journalism.

Nor is the US, If you think otherwise, think about what happend to Assange.

We need a larger time frame to put our world in its proper perspective.

Freedom, including freedom of the press, is an anomaly in the history of the human race. That it came about is pretty much a miracle, there is nothing natural about it. And there is nothing natural about keeping it. You have to fight hard not to loose it.

The US in this perspective has been a large force for freedom in the world. But that can change any moment. There are forces within US that wish the Constitution would just go away.

That said, the US government is still a far far cry from being the totalitarian dictator the Chinese Communist Party currently is in China.

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Post by spectramax »

pulse7 wrote: post #13
ancorevard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you equate AT&T's said practices with Huawei's practices, then you just answered your own question. The Chinese Communist Party is not friend of freedom, nor of free journalism.

Regarding the "free journalism": we will see if the US lives up to the First Amendment in the Julian Assange case... 25 years ago the US was supporter of "free journalism", but today things are changing rapidly...

What about blasting President Trump on front page of NYTimes, almost every day since he was elected? US has a tremendous sense of free press, you can't pick and choose.

Do you see any negative press about Xi Jingpin in China?

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

burtonator wrote: post #23
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument in this article is not that Huawei is handing over data, or anything else AT&T has been accused of. It's that Huawei is secretly a front for the Chinese government.

So basically the exact same thing as AT&T ... AT&T worked with the US government to spy on Americans and foreign nationals and then when they were bused the US government gave them retroactive immunity. BTW.. Retroactive immunity is illegal for criminal cases but it's perfectly ok for civil cases. Ex post facto... This was a complete miscarriage of justice.

No, cooperating with the government isn't exactly the same thing as being owned by the government.

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Post by luckylion »

joaomacp wrote: post #4

I have personally decided to avoid buying 'Made in China' products whenever it's possible. It's hard, but I don't want to support their work conditions or predatory geoeconomics in any way.

I understand the sentiment. Do you also avoid "made in america" for those reasons?

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Post by tyingq »

matz1 wrote: post #17
layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of computer are you posting from?

What is your point ? even if its impossible to do it 100%, at least they tried. Its their choice.

I think the question is whether it even approaches 1% for anything with electronics in it. Can you buy a car, phone, PC, etc, that has zero made or assembled in China subsystems?

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by spectramax »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #14

USA is right to fear them. Spying issues aside (for a second) here is this giant company that easily take over the worldwide smartphone market. The very things USA has controlled since Jobs and Gates started. Oh, and they can spy on everyone. For the "You too" crowd: Yes, NSA spies on whatever they can. But you do not see Apple or Google doing what NSA wants. I have a feeling that Huawei doesn't have the option of go…

I really feel that HN has some really unusual behavior when criticizing China. Almost always, HN defends China by throwing rocks at US. It is really baffling.

Re: Who's Behind Huawei?

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Post by drharby »

charlescearl wrote: post #3

When AT&T has so willingly handed over call data to the U.S. intelligence agencies for decades, even assisting in the analysis of said data, I have to question the assault on Huawei by U.S. media.

Because huawei is chinese.

It would make sense from a media perspective as they are trying to drive attention and thus eyeballs, and xenophobia sells page views

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