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Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

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post #10

This makes me sad. Do people really need to be told what not to do and say like that? To me it feels insulting that I am not trusted to be nice to others.

Rules existing doesn't say that you aren't trusted, it just says that there are some people that are not. Are you insulted by laws forbidding you to do bad things?

I'm more concerned about rules that I think might apply to me in a way I'd consider unfair than about rules that I'm already staying a safe distance from violating.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#52
post #2

This is great: simple and easy to understand. For everyone feigning confusion about modern professional behavioral norms, just memorize this list.

Or "anyone not familiar with the fashionable norms du jour, here's a list of potential thought crimes as derived by one country's culture (and its internal conflicts, cultural politics, and religious and post-religious baggage) and imposed on supposedly global communities".

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#53
post #19
post #2

This is great: simple and easy to understand. For everyone feigning confusion about modern professional behavioral norms, just memorize this list.

"Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion." It doesn't take much creativity to recognize the inherent contradiction in this systemic line of thinking.

Asking you not to relate your religious opinion of fat people is not the same as oppressing your religion.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#54
There is a reason why laws are not drafted as specific as this code of conduct.

If someone can think of another way of harassing then making "Harassing photography or recording, including logging online activity for harassment purposes" it's allowed? I doubt that's the intention. So why the oddly specific rules?

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#55

If more and more groups insist on forcing their ideological agenda down the throats of contributors and users maybe it's time to start hacking on projects that don't feel the need to bring politics into software.

Perhaps NetBSD ==> OpenBSD is an instructive example as to what happens when the bureaucracy is taken too far.

I hope similar things still can take place today.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#56

If more and more groups insist on forcing their ideological agenda down the throats of contributors and users maybe it's time to start hacking on projects that don't feel the need to bring politics into software.

Open source software is as much a social endeavor as it is a technical one. As such it is important for people to get along if a project wants to get anywhere. There are far too many developers that use their technical prowess as an excuse for their lack of basic social skills. Unfortunately the same group of developers is also almost entirely comprised of men.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#57
post #47

https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=32582... Never forget

The following is from the very top of a random file in the removed set I clicked: A bad little girl in Madrid, A most reprehensible kid, Told her Tante Louise That her cunt smelled like cheese, And the worst of it was that it did! Wat!? Good riddance.

One fears that by repeating the verse here, you've stamped it on eternity.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#58
post #43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly. But the benefits outweigh the marginal scenario you are envisioning. I again return to the example of HN, which has higher standards of conversation than many other boards, due in part to strong moderating guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html To draw a parallel, do you think HN would be more successful if it relied on "intuition" for norms of discussion?

The benefits of that kind of CoC remain to be proven. Meanwhile, I note that HN's moderating guidelines do not mention sex, gender, religion, food choices, or most of what FreeBSD's new CoC describes. HN's moderating guidelines are about content whereas FreeBSD's new Code of Conduct codifies human behaviour, as the name would imply. They are different things.

I note that HN's moderating guidelines do not mention sex, gender, religion, food choices, or most of what FreeBSD's new CoC describes.

You might also note that HN regularly fills up with pages upon pages of sexist (more rarely, racist) tripe. Which might be ok for HN but the people who participate in the FreeBSD project have decided it's not ok for their thing.

Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#59
post #48
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that reasoning, we should never have rules, because any rule will create the possibility of people trying to lawyer out of the rules.

Doesn't sound bad. Most communities survived 20+ years, and even thrived, without any such rules.

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Re: New FreeBSD Code of Conduct

#60
post #48
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that reasoning, we should never have rules, because any rule will create the possibility of people trying to lawyer out of the rules.

Doesn't sound bad. Most communities survived 20+ years, and even thrived, without any such rules.

A group thriving does not mean it didn't do damage to (former) members or others while doing so, and neither should "but look at what we achieved!" be a good excuse for it. (of course, groups also can have written rules and still behave badly, rules do not automatically solve these problems)
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