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Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by wutbrodo »

StillBored wrote: post #30

Well, i've been running firefox pretty consistently since I switched from Netscape all those years ago. I've tried pretty much every browser out there, and have a fair number of them installed but came back to FF... But 57, is likely the end. Yah, they fixed it. Its a little faster, but it still seems to consume RAM/CPU until my whole machine grinds to a halt. Previously, when it did this I could be assured that it l…

> (some of this is likely my own fault, and happens with other browsers too, since I haven't managed to cure my tabitus habit of failing to close tabs i'm still have way interested in).

I have the same affliction as you, but extensions have helped a ton. I use The Great Suspender and Session Buddy on Chrome: I can use the former to "close" an entire window of tabs and then dive right into that group of tabs with a couple of clicks. The only downside has been that I must have an Internet connection to restore the tabs.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by forapurpose »

bigbugbag wrote: post #34
mozillanotnice wrote: post #27

Yes, and also continued to lose market share!* I wish they would stop changing the user interface so frequently. * https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/default.asp

I beg to differ, I wish they would not remove the previous interface when introducing a new one and offer the user the freedom to choose the one she prefers. This is one major gripe I have with mozilla and firefox: depriving the user of the freedom to choose and forcing change upon them. This constant interface change is affecting many of the older people for whom I provide technical support. They all relied on class…

> This is one major gripe I have with mozilla and firefox

Looking at this page, you seem to have more than one ...

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by wutbrodo »

leeoniya wrote: post #43
CaptSpify wrote: post #21

I tend to voice a lot of upset opinions about Mozilla, but I am still grateful for the work they do. It's nice to see that they have such a big resource pool to work with, as they are one of the few groups that I think genuinely cares for it's users. It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living.

> It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living. ...so long as a "don't be evil" mega-corp continues paying for it

That's a silly way to look at it. They're paying for a service that Mozilla provides to them, as a business transaction. Being a "do good" company obviously doesn't mean requiring that of every one of your customers: There's not a company in the world that isn't economically connected to something you'd consider "evil" by a couple degrees of separation at most.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigbugbag »

staktrace wrote: post #13
cryptoz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few years ago when Mozilla switched from Google to Yahoo, they updated Firefox on my Mac and changed my default search from Google to Yahoo. It was not a new installation, it was an upgrade, and I was not asked about the switch.

If you don't change the default search engine, then updates to the default search engine will affect you. If you explicitly change the default, then the updates should leave your choice intact.

What kind of convoluted reasoning is behind this antifeature ? Please do not alter or change user space. Please consider how this kind of thing impacts the life of the many people who struggle with computers. Understand that this entails on what's left of trust one could still have with mozilla.

Or don't as I'm personally not affected and already have grown a deep mistrust for mozilla.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by nine_k »

StillBored wrote: post #30

Well, i've been running firefox pretty consistently since I switched from Netscape all those years ago. I've tried pretty much every browser out there, and have a fair number of them installed but came back to FF... But 57, is likely the end. Yah, they fixed it. Its a little faster, but it still seems to consume RAM/CPU until my whole machine grinds to a halt. Previously, when it did this I could be assured that it l…

Does Chrome fare any better?

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by roblabla »

bigbugbag wrote: post #45
staktrace wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, if that's the case, then it's a bug. If you could file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org it would be much appreciated. Even though it already happened we can try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

What do you mean much appreciated ? My experience with bugzilla is that it is a place where users are ignored and told they are not part of a large enough portion of the user base to be significant for using linux, or for using alsa or for needing an option to keep the previous interface. I do not dare going close to mozilla's bugzilla, it has been a waste of my time almost every time and taking abuse and frustration…

I have no idea where you get all that. I've done a few reports on bugzilla, bugs in firefox on ArchLinux (so linux, and not a standardized setup). They've all been answered, and most have been fixed.

Sometimes, I've been told the setup I was using wasn't supported, but they'd accept a patch if I was willing to invest some effort in it. I did once, and the patch was indeed accepted.

Obviously, Mozilla cannot support every obscure platform, but then again neither does Chrome. I don't think your expectation match reality if you think that's the case.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by forapurpose »

khedoros1 wrote: post #24
neonhomer wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was going to ask the same thing. But also why are people still using Google? I've been using DuckDuckGo for years and only use Google when I'm forced to (like in Chrome on iOS).

Because fairly frequently, I'll search for something on DDG, not find what I was expecting, and try on Google as a backup. And because in many people's minds, Google is search.

I thought the same thing, then I realized there was a significant selection bias: I was only looking at events where half the hypothesis (DDG fails & Google succeeds) is true. For example, how does DDG perform when Google fails?

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by TheGrassyKnoll »

smichel17 wrote: post #22
feelin_googley wrote: post #6

"Mozilla ditched Yahoo recently however in favor of Google, two years before the five year contract would be up for renewal. The terms of the new deal with Google have not been revealed yet, and it remains to be seen whether this new deal will give Mozilla's revenue another boost in 2017." Apparently Firefox 57 when it is installed tries to switch the users default search engine to Google. Whether it asks for user pe…

On my machine it stayed with ddg. shrug

Me too.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigbugbag »

CaptSpify wrote: post #21

I tend to voice a lot of upset opinions about Mozilla, but I am still grateful for the work they do. It's nice to see that they have such a big resource pool to work with, as they are one of the few groups that I think genuinely cares for it's users. It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living.

I think quite the opposite that they do not care for their users and blatantly disregard user feedback and users. From experience after having repeatedly told that I'm not significant/worthy enough for a variety of reasons for not using windows, not using gnome, not using pulseaudio, working with older people who have a hard time dealing with computers, having a use for disabling javascript, disabling spying telemetry and profiling, wanting to be able to install unsigned extension, being a power user, etc.

Each time I've been denied from mozilla it was justified by the fact that I was part of a niche segment of the user base and as such was not as good as a member of the large segment of the user base, in other words not really an actual user.

I may need help to see how it is a "do good" company, it does not seem very different from another company, it takes hundred millions of dollars out of advertising money coming from surveillance capitalism and one of the worst offender on privacy issues, tries to push their own agenda devised in a vacuum, deprives its users of freedom of choice, make its success on the work of volunteers but does not give them credit or respect, has marketing saying something but does not deliver. This is hardly "doing good" and seems quite in line with what to expect from a regular company.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by forapurpose »

StillBored wrote: post #30

Well, i've been running firefox pretty consistently since I switched from Netscape all those years ago. I've tried pretty much every browser out there, and have a fair number of them installed but came back to FF... But 57, is likely the end. Yah, they fixed it. Its a little faster, but it still seems to consume RAM/CPU until my whole machine grinds to a halt. Previously, when it did this I could be assured that it l…

I haven't seen memory or cpu problems, short of ~200 tabs open on a ~8 year old computer.
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