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Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigbugbag »

deckarep wrote: post #11
feelin_googley wrote: post #6

"Mozilla ditched Yahoo recently however in favor of Google, two years before the five year contract would be up for renewal. The terms of the new deal with Google have not been revealed yet, and it remains to be seen whether this new deal will give Mozilla's revenue another boost in 2017." Apparently Firefox 57 when it is installed tries to switch the users default search engine to Google. Whether it asks for user pe…

In 2017 who’s still using Yahoo anyway for their search engine?

You're missing the point, yahoo needed to be default engine in Firefox to help with selling itself at a certain price tag, that's about it.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by catwell »

staktrace wrote: post #20
Drdrdrq wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true - I had to explicitly remove Google (again) and set StartPage as default on all my installations. I think it happened with 57.0.1 upgrade though.

Hm, if that's the case, then it's a bug. If you could file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org it would be much appreciated. Even though it already happened we can try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

Apparently it is a bug. It works for search engines shipped with Firefox (such as DuckSuckGo) but not for others (such as StartPage of Qwant). See https://twitter.com/gchampeau/status/938757076213518336

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#43

Post by leeoniya »

CaptSpify wrote: post #21

I tend to voice a lot of upset opinions about Mozilla, but I am still grateful for the work they do. It's nice to see that they have such a big resource pool to work with, as they are one of the few groups that I think genuinely cares for it's users. It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living.

> It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living.

...so long as a "don't be evil" mega-corp continues paying for it

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#44

Post by bigleagueposter »

bigbugbag wrote: post #38
bigleagueposter wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I support google because they are enemies of microsoft/apple/facebook.

You are deeply mistaken if you really think those are enemies. First apple is a hardware vendor of overpriced gadgets, totally unrelated to google market which is an advertising network. Second the ship has long sailed on the feud between Google and Facebook, they now have ceased fighting and are each back on focusing on their own thing. Do you have a recent example of google fighting microsoft ? heck even apple was…

Google is moving stuff from the Microsoft controlled desktop to the browser.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#45

Post by bigbugbag »

staktrace wrote: post #20
Drdrdrq wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true - I had to explicitly remove Google (again) and set StartPage as default on all my installations. I think it happened with 57.0.1 upgrade though.

Hm, if that's the case, then it's a bug. If you could file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org it would be much appreciated. Even though it already happened we can try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

What do you mean much appreciated ? My experience with bugzilla is that it is a place where users are ignored and told they are not part of a large enough portion of the user base to be significant for using linux, or for using alsa or for needing an option to keep the previous interface.

I do not dare going close to mozilla's bugzilla, it has been a waste of my time almost every time and taking abuse and frustration is not exactly an enjoyable experience.

But hey this does not really matter anymore as after over 15 years of supporting mozilla I have had enough of its utter nonsense and have now left firefox with the firm intent to never return and have stopped supporting anything mozilla while actively hoping it will fail and disappear, the sooner, the better.

Way too much disdain for the people using firefox, too much discrepancy between the marketing and the actual thing. Alienating long time supporter one by one is probably not the smartest strategy but hey what do I know, mozilla is making hundred more millions with a fraction of the past user base so they're probably successful by their own metrics.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by nine_k »

feelin_googley wrote: post #6

"Mozilla ditched Yahoo recently however in favor of Google, two years before the five year contract would be up for renewal. The terms of the new deal with Google have not been revealed yet, and it remains to be seen whether this new deal will give Mozilla's revenue another boost in 2017." Apparently Firefox 57 when it is installed tries to switch the users default search engine to Google. Whether it asks for user pe…

It did ask me, and only once, when I updated to 57.01 or something.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#47

Post by bigbugbag »

catwell wrote: post #42
staktrace wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, if that's the case, then it's a bug. If you could file a bug at bugzilla.mozilla.org it would be much appreciated. Even though it already happened we can try and ensure it doesn't happen again.

Apparently it is a bug. It works for search engines shipped with Firefox (such as DuckSuckGo) but not for others (such as StartPage of Qwant). See https://twitter.com/gchampeau/status/938757076213518336

I have a hard time believing this kind of happy coincidence benefiting their commercial partner could be a bug, it really looks like an intended feature.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#48

Post by forapurpose »

leeoniya wrote: post #43
CaptSpify wrote: post #21

I tend to voice a lot of upset opinions about Mozilla, but I am still grateful for the work they do. It's nice to see that they have such a big resource pool to work with, as they are one of the few groups that I think genuinely cares for it's users. It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living.

> It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living. ...so long as a "don't be evil" mega-corp continues paying for it

I don't think Google provided much revenue in 2016; Yahoo was the search provider in the U.S. Mozilla is not tied to Google.

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

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Post by bigbugbag »

patall wrote: post #9
feelin_googley wrote: post #6

"Mozilla ditched Yahoo recently however in favor of Google, two years before the five year contract would be up for renewal. The terms of the new deal with Google have not been revealed yet, and it remains to be seen whether this new deal will give Mozilla's revenue another boost in 2017." Apparently Firefox 57 when it is installed tries to switch the users default search engine to Google. Whether it asks for user pe…

It certainly did not ask for me and just switched from startpage to Google. Also auto-installed the update (against my will) after I had voted to wait a few times, though that might have been autoupdate as it was on my work computer (have heard from others that it was not which I also suspect but I am too lazy to check). Mozilla is certainly losing trust with that, if it weren't for the lack of good alternatives...

There is a good alternative called waterfox (yup the name says it all) and of the recent update disabled the dreaded auto update thing trying actively to get rid of your legacy extensions.

https://waterfoxproject.org/

Re: Mozilla’s revenue increased significantly in 2016

#50

Post by CaptSpify »

forapurpose wrote: post #48
leeoniya wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's also nice to be able to show other groups: Yes, you can be a "do good" company, and make a good living. ...so long as a "don't be evil" mega-corp continues paying for it

I don't think Google provided much revenue in 2016; Yahoo was the search provider in the U.S. Mozilla is not tied to Google.

I wouldn't consider Yahoo much better than Google either though...
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