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⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

Amazon Linux is CentOS 6.something with new kernels and security fixes for the associated packages.

Which is fine if you are only running on one cloud provider and don't have any local infrastructure. But I want my one Linux flavour to run anywhere ...

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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post #45

Offtopic, but if anybody from RedHat and especially Mozilla read this, go to that page with an Android phone, possibly with a small screen: To RedHat: do something for that menu at the left. It stays in the way when scrolling and zooming. The X to close it is not immediately visible on a small screen. Expected behavior: the menu scrolls away with the page and doesn't stay fixed in the way of the reader. To Mozilla: o…

Worse, I browse without javascript and their page has no text.

It's utterly terribly designed to be an open source information page.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

#53
I have used Btrfs in production and I would say it's great. It's super easy to just add an extra EBS volume and attach to a Btrfs volume and now you have more disk space. Performance is good enough for me as well, I used it as storage for InfluxDB and Docker.

Luckily this is only Redhat, not Btrfs itself.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

#54

I am as happy as anyone that XFS is finally getting the position of honor it deserves on enterprise Linux (something like 15 years later than it should have, grumble grumble) but it doesn't really take the place of what btrfs was trying to do. Only ZFS is in a position to do that. I wonder if there are any plans for supporting the native port on RHEL.

Redhat hasn't been on the best of terms with Oracle, so I suspect that they want to stay clear of ZFS. It does however leave Redhat without a more modern feature rich filesystem.

Perhaps Redhat could help to develop snapshots on XFS. It's not the only feature XFS is missing, but it's a start.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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post #22

Wow, I thought their long term plan was to switch to Btrfs. Now it is deprecated? What happened there?

I think you might be confusing with SuSE? Generally though sadly btrfs just isn't getting the man hours from any commercial sponsor it seems :(

Facebook, Fujitsu and SUSE are all actively contributing to btrfs. The idea it isn't getting "the man hours from any commercial sponsor" is ludicrous.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

#56

Sounds to me that Btrfs is done for long-term. So now what?

Facebook, Fujitsu and SUSE all contribute to btrfs and it is still being actively developed (it's the default filesystem for SUSE Linux Enterprise). Red Hat stopped contributing a while ago since most of their btrfs developers moved to Facebook.

"Done for the long-term" is a major overstatement IMO.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happy to see his Patreon is looking "healthier". I mean $1500/m isn't really that much but I'm sure last I looked it was much lower. In other news.. consider supporting the people that support you! Personally, I spent over $100/month on Patreon. Most of those are creators rather than open source people but there are a couple of open source ones such as Ondřej Surý who works on PHP packaging in Debian/Ubuntu

It's $1050, not $1500. I'm interested in two projects on Patreon (bcachefs and Matrix) and both projects are not getting nearly enough to be self-funded, so this raises the question if this model even works for Open Source. So far any advanced technology seems to be funded by some big corporation and it's not very good. But, I guess, users just don't care about good inner workings, they care about things they persona…

I think it's an issue with the marketing of it as well, I recently got notice that some of the most important open source projects I use have a patron page they depend on, yet didn't show it on github, only on their home page under donate. Same as with Kickstarter, if you want funds, you have to properly and visibly ask for it!

I donated a lot to git-annex because he did it right, showing everywhere that you could sponsor the development.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

#58

I am as happy as anyone that XFS is finally getting the position of honor it deserves on enterprise Linux (something like 15 years later than it should have, grumble grumble) but it doesn't really take the place of what btrfs was trying to do. Only ZFS is in a position to do that. I wonder if there are any plans for supporting the native port on RHEL.

Redhat hasn't been on the best of terms with Oracle, so I suspect that they want to stay clear of ZFS. It does however leave Redhat without a more modern feature rich filesystem. Perhaps Redhat could help to develop snapshots on XFS. It's not the only feature XFS is missing, but it's a start.

> Perhaps Redhat could help to develop snapshots on XFS. It's not the only feature XFS is missing, but it's a start.

Upstream has been working on adding more btrfs-like features to XFS, but I believe that RHEL encourages using devicemapper snapshots (which you then format with XFS).

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

#59
post #38

I think this is a political move disguised as technical move oracle pays the developers of btrfs [0] redhat hates the guts of oracle, since oracle released oracle linux, which is a clone of redhat enterprise (based on centos) so, redhat wants to cripple btrfs and hurt oracle. However, btrfs is my favorite FS, been using it on my home computer and backup drives for at least 6 years, before it was included in the kerne…

Oracle still has a couple developers on their payroll that do BtrFS development:

* Liu Bo * Anand Jain

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

#60

I have used Btrfs in production and I would say it's great. It's super easy to just add an extra EBS volume and attach to a Btrfs volume and now you have more disk space. Performance is good enough for me as well, I used it as storage for InfluxDB and Docker. Luckily this is only Redhat, not Btrfs itself.

Unfortunately, RedHat tends to be the trendsetter in the Linux world. Once it's gone from RHEL, it'll be gone from most other RPM based distros soon enough. It's kind of a shame that one company has grown to dominate the Linux software ecosystem, often to the detriment of all involved.
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