⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL • Hacker News Board

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by cleech » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:07 AM UTC

bedros wrote: post #38

I think this is a political move disguised as technical move oracle pays the developers of btrfs [0] redhat hates the guts of oracle, since oracle released oracle linux, which is a clone of redhat enterprise (based on centos) so, redhat wants to cripple btrfs and hurt oracle. However, btrfs is my favorite FS, been using it on my home computer and backup drives for at least 6 years, before it was included in the kerne…

Chris Mason left Oracle for Fusion-io back in 2012 and then from there to Facebook in 2013

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by skrause » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:09 AM UTC

bedros wrote: post #38

I think this is a political move disguised as technical move oracle pays the developers of btrfs [0] redhat hates the guts of oracle, since oracle released oracle linux, which is a clone of redhat enterprise (based on centos) so, redhat wants to cripple btrfs and hurt oracle. However, btrfs is my favorite FS, been using it on my home computer and backup drives for at least 6 years, before it was included in the kerne…

Chris Mason, the principal Btrfs author, left Oracle over 5 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs#History

"In June 2012, Chris Mason left Oracle for Fusion-io, which he left a year later with Josef Bacik to join Facebook; while at both companies, Mason continued his work on Btrfs."

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by vbezhenar » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:10 AM UTC

lathiat wrote: post #36

joecool1029 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd encourage you to research it further! On that note, their Patreon is a better primer than the website is: https://www.patreon.com/bcachefs

Happy to see his Patreon is looking "healthier". I mean $1500/m isn't really that much but I'm sure last I looked it was much lower. In other news.. consider supporting the people that support you! Personally, I spent over $100/month on Patreon. Most of those are creators rather than open source people but there are a couple of open source ones such as Ondřej Surý who works on PHP packaging in Debian/Ubuntu

It's $1050, not $1500. I'm interested in two projects on Patreon (bcachefs and Matrix) and both projects are not getting nearly enough to be self-funded, so this raises the question if this model even works for Open Source. So far any advanced technology seems to be funded by some big corporation and it's not very good. But, I guess, users just don't care about good inner workings, they care about things they personally enjoy (cartoons, etc), so funding those inner workings is still an open question.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by vacri » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:10 AM UTC

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #27

myrandomcomment wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule if the end customer was finance/bank their Linux flavor was RedHat (someone to yell at when it broke). Other tech companies / web types it was Ubuntu. This was my experience in over 4 startups where these were are end customers. Your mileage may vary.

CentOS is extremely popular among startups. It lets you directly use RPMs, which many software publishers distribute on their own (not the case for debs, often), and gives you an upgrade path to buy RHEL when you want someone to yell at and not throw away all your automation. I’m not trying to start a flame war here (honest), but among most “usual web” ops folks I know, the opposite of what you’re suggesting seems to…

There are just as many publishers that supply debs and not rpms. It really depends on what you're after.

But if you look at the usage, north america is generally more redhat-family and europe is generally more debian-family, even in the SuSE patch that is Germany...

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by pmontra » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:11 AM UTC

Offtopic, but if anybody from RedHat and especially Mozilla read this, go to that page with an Android phone, possibly with a small screen:

To RedHat: do something for that menu at the left. It stays in the way when scrolling and zooming. The X to close it is not immediately visible on a small screen. Expected behavior: the menu scrolls away with the page and doesn't stay fixed in the way of the reader.

To Mozilla: open the page with Opera and copy what you see there. Tldr: autofit the text in the screen width. Maybe Chrome does the same. Btw, reader mode doesn't kick in.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by rdtsc » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:13 AM UTC

jmspring wrote: post #10

It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

> It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely).

I'll ask the opposite question how many people in Enterprise don't use RHEL/CentOS?

> I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

Those two are orthogonal. A lot of people loathe Windows and Oracle yet they are raking in billions every year in licensing.

Then there is Government as well, try selling them a production running in Ubuntu or Arch. It can be done but it won't be very easy. There RHEL is king as well.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by headlands » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:14 AM UTC

The default file system for the root partition of SUSE Enterprise Linux is Btrfs. So RHEL have stopped supporting it. It is the only filesystem that implements many of the features found in ZFS.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by vbezhenar » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:15 AM UTC

I don't think this matters much. If you want btrfs, you'll likely be able to get kernel module from EPEL even if they'll stop shipping it. It's like deprecated and unsupported LXC which could be used just fine and which doesn't have usable replacements.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by abrookewood » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:16 AM UTC

jmspring wrote: post #10

It's OT but how many people actually use RHEL? Or CentOS (more likely). I'm not a fan of systemd, but have really loathed CentOS/RHEL compared to Debian/* for years.

I used to run CentOS in Dev/Test and then Red Hat in Prod. However, they have a habit of removing packages that compete with their commercial offerings, which forces you to either compile from source or to install from other repositories - for example, they removed Apache ActiveMQ because they offer JBoss AMQ. This starts to become annoying becuase all of a sudden you have multiple update processes to keep everything up-to-date, whereas previously, you had one. After being bitten by this at least twice, I shifted everything to Ubuntu. It's a shame - both CentOS & Red Hat are slow to move, but very stable. I was happy paying them support too ... but not when they kept making things more difficult.

Re: ⁠Btrfs has been deprecated in RHEL

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Post by pferde » Wed, Aug 02, 2017, 6:17 AM UTC

vacri wrote: post #40

tbrock wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XFS is the default FS on RHEL now, so likely that.

Do you know if XFS can shrink volumes yet? As far as I'm aware, that's the only limitation it has compared to other filesystems of that era.

Nope, still can't. Not online, not offline.