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White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come on, sure it makes sense. It means that you failed to communicate effectively. Or that communicating to them was not an effective strategy.

Or the person you are communicating to has a conflict of interest and has a strong incentive to feign ignorance. Usually referred to as being "corrupt" for short.

In that case, "communicating to them was not an effective strategy".

Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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> according to a four-page budget memo obtained by The Washington Post. So somebody in the NOAA is leaking internal memos to the press. Is it so bad to cut funding to rebellious agencies? It could be a good way to catch leakers: Distribute to every agency head a memo mentioning upcoming budget cuts, and see which self-righteous agencies try to stir up trouble. Instruct the agency heads to make minor changes to the de…

> It could be a good way to catch leakers, too

That's what we need, to catch those darn leakers, no matter the cost to our society's future.

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http://weather.gov (run by NOAA and the national weather service) is my go to weather site. No ads, no hyperbole. I found out about it when some senator wanted to stop them from posting weather online because it competed with "private sector" weather companies. A couple times I've seen that tv news weather leaves the site up on their monitors during newscasts.

That was Rick Santorum pandering to his pals at Accuweather.

My guess is that vendors with bigger pockets and a better track record of buying influence (IBM, Monsanto) wants to leverage its own weather property)

Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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Of course they are. NOAA does nothing which panders to populist sentiment. NOAA can't put steel workers to work. NOAA is not the grit of honest American labor, or the power of military conquest, or the gold of a halcyon age. NOAA cannot Make America Great Again, but a new fleet of aircraft carriers can. So it goes. Tie a rock to a string and hang it outside your window to see which way the wind is blowing.

17 trillion in debt, time to cut back

Have you actually read the White House's plan? They themselves (I'm not strawmanning here) have said that overall spending and the debt is going to increase, most of that going to the military. No "cutting back" is happening.

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Of course they are. NOAA does nothing which panders to populist sentiment. NOAA can't put steel workers to work. NOAA is not the grit of honest American labor, or the power of military conquest, or the gold of a halcyon age. NOAA cannot Make America Great Again, but a new fleet of aircraft carriers can. So it goes. Tie a rock to a string and hang it outside your window to see which way the wind is blowing.

17 trillion in debt, time to cut back

Yes, we need to make room for the the trillions of dollars in new spending Trump has already proposed.

And statues. Many, many statues, wrought from American steel.

Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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If you spend too long trying to convince someone there's a problem, then you are the problem.

If I'm not mistaken than the vast majority globally is convinced of man made climate change being an issue. The holdouts primarily seem to be a subset of US Americans. There is disagreement on what a fair solution would look like but the vast majority agrees on the problem.

Let us be honest: no they are not convinced. If they were legitimately terrified of existential disaster >400ppm, they would be IMMEDIATELY limiting industrial production and investing MASSIVELY into carbon sequestration and renewables. The fact that ALL NATIONS take half-hearted and half-assed measures to confront what the pro-AGW crowd paints as an extinction risk demonstrably contradicts your claim that "the vast majority globally is convinced".

Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you spend too long trying to convince someone there's a problem, then you are the problem.

If I'm not mistaken than the vast majority globally is convinced of man made climate change being an issue. The holdouts primarily seem to be a subset of US Americans. There is disagreement on what a fair solution would look like but the vast majority agrees on the problem.

But close the loop - the reason US Americans don't believe in climate change is because energy companies have paid politicians and fringe scientists to deny climate change. Why do energy companies care? Because climate change mitigation would cost them a lot of money.

Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaken than the vast majority globally is convinced of man made climate change being an issue. The holdouts primarily seem to be a subset of US Americans. There is disagreement on what a fair solution would look like but the vast majority agrees on the problem.

Let us be honest: no they are not convinced. If they were legitimately terrified of existential disaster >400ppm, they would be IMMEDIATELY limiting industrial production and investing MASSIVELY into carbon sequestration and renewables. The fact that ALL NATIONS take half-hearted and half-assed measures to confront what the pro-AGW crowd paints as an extinction risk demonstrably contradicts your claim that "the vast…

Collective action problems are not that easy to solve, no matter how dire the consequences of failure.

Re: White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA

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Of course they are. NOAA does nothing which panders to populist sentiment. NOAA can't put steel workers to work. NOAA is not the grit of honest American labor, or the power of military conquest, or the gold of a halcyon age. NOAA cannot Make America Great Again, but a new fleet of aircraft carriers can. So it goes. Tie a rock to a string and hang it outside your window to see which way the wind is blowing.

17 trillion in debt, time to cut back

Not sure if you're sarcastic or trolling .

Cut back on by far the largest and most expensive military in the world then.

NOAA budget 2016: $5.8 billion

US military budget: $600 billion

And they're proposing a $54 billion increase.

You could probably trim 10 NOAAs from the military industrial complex and nothing would be lost.

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