Everyone knows about weather and climate, but NOAA also does a lot of ocean exploration:
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/explorations.html
White House proposes steep budget cut to NOAA
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#22> The biggest single cut proposed by the passback document comes from NOAA’s satellite division, .... Researchers there were behind a study suggesting that there has been no recent slowdown in the rate of climate change — research that drew the ire of Republicans in Congress. Yes, let's shoot the messenger.
When you "know" the message is wrong but the messenger won't shut up about it, these things start to sound like a good idea.
If you spend too long trying to convince someone there's a problem, then you are the problem.
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#23Steve Bannon has a thing for shipyards.
Someone should tell him what the NOAA does for merchant shipping.
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#24Just playing devil's advocate can someone articulate what kind of value we will lose as a society?
Can you see numbers being put on maritime vessels? Human life? Hurricane prediction matters to both. [0]
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#25Makes sense when the powers that be think climate change is made up, in fact maybe they think the climate is made up. Why fund an agency that spends money on something that does not exist?
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#26http://weather.gov (run by NOAA and the national weather service) is my go to weather site. No ads, no hyperbole. I found out about it when some senator wanted to stop them from posting weather online because it competed with "private sector" weather companies. A couple times I've seen that tv news weather leaves the site up on their monitors during newscasts.
I started using windytv.com after seeing it mentioned here. It uses the European ECMWF weather model, which is well known in the meteorological community to be more accurate than the NOAA GFS: http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2016/06/us-numerical-weather-p.... With this budget cut, it looks like that will continue.
In particular, as a non-hydrostatic model, the ECMWF gives much better forecasts in mountainous regions like the Eastern Sierra (where I live).
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#27Just playing devil's advocate can someone articulate what kind of value we will lose as a society?
Off the top of my head, comercial and general aviation rely critically on NOAA's services.
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#29Just playing devil's advocate can someone articulate what kind of value we will lose as a society?
Every single commercial airline flight in the US relies on NOAA forecasting. Without reliable forecasting I would suspect the airline industry would crumble under delays, wasted fuel, diversions, and overall customer dissatisfaction. This isn't to say a third party couldn't pick up the slack but then you have a very clear conflict of interest. If the airlines get to make their own forecast they can skimp on fuel and…
>airline flight in the US relies on NOAA forecasting
Sure but is that what is actually going to be cut? You do realize that one common way that unelected bureaucrats defend their spending is to launder unpopular/dubious spending in very popular spending?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you "know" the message is wrong but the messenger won't shut up about it, these things start to sound like a good idea.
If you spend too long trying to convince someone there's a problem, then you are the problem.
This is one of those comments that sounds profound if you give it a cursory glance, but actually makes no sense whatsoever.