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Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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> It's like Reddit, without the trolls That's HN.

Reddit definitely does not have the tech focus hn does. Maybe it did in the long past, but not anymore. Definitely not a substitute for Reddit content without the trolls.

/r/programming is quite excellent much of the time. Reddit generally doesn't have a technical slant, but there are many great subs which do.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#52

Why dont they call it what it is? A safe space for the left. Looking at the official "politics" section is just liberal-based editorials: https://www.imzy.com/politics I lean left on the political spectrum for most things, but I cant help but think all this "safe space" stuff is what pushed the country into electing trump in the first place- It makes america look and feel weak. Also, the site is ungodly slow and supe…

>Why dont they call it what it is? A safe space for the left.

But they did: "It's like reddit"

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#53

Lot's "but this isn't free speech" in here, but that's exactly the point, free speech has been tried and it leads to shit holes like reddit and voat. Places you might visit, but wouldn't recommend or even admit to using in a mixed group. People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities. When confront…

reddit is not one place. Each subreddit has its own moderation policy. Stolen naked pictures and overt abuse are one thing, but it is common in other subreddits (e.g. /r/europe) for posts or comments to be blocked just because they are critical of immigration. The mods might deny that, but it happens, because there are lots of mods, and people who donate a large amount of their free time to moderating a web forum are often not that bright or tolerant.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#54

I signed up on their website, went through the onboarding flow and joined a couple of communities. Without them knowing anything about my political leanings they suggested a bunch of anti-Trump communities. I guess they're not trying to solve the "filter bubble" issue, but rather becoming the Reddit for liberals? I mean it's their business for them to run as they like, but I hope somebody can take us past the Breitba…

Honestly, the best solution right now is probably just to find good subreddits. Or whatever blogs/forums there are out there for your interests. And although I can't really say I give a damn about tech/coding/etc. until I have to use it; I have yet to find more enlightening, balanced discussions of politicized issues than what is on HN.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#55

I signed up on their website, went through the onboarding flow and joined a couple of communities. Without them knowing anything about my political leanings they suggested a bunch of anti-Trump communities. I guess they're not trying to solve the "filter bubble" issue, but rather becoming the Reddit for liberals? I mean it's their business for them to run as they like, but I hope somebody can take us past the Breitba…

It sounds like a fair amount of statements directly made by Trump on the campaign trail (mocking a disabled person, telling people to check out the "sex tape" of a former Miss universe he didn't like, many other statements) would themselves not be allowed on this site, so it's not surprising it would be naturally anti-Trump. I highly doubt it would have any such attitudes towards people like Jeb Bush or Rand Paul who are decidedly not liberal.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#57

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

If by safe spaces you mean places where people of colour aren't subjected to racism, gay people aren't subjected to homophobia and women aren't subjected to misogyny, then I fail to see how any of these types of attack would help anyone "move forward", even "creators".

That's what safe spaces are defined as in the dictionary, but it's not what they are in practise though. In practise it's often a system of oppressing dissenting opinions and voluntary segregation.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Why should a forum cater to everybody? That's what the Internet is there for.

Thats almost dangerous actually. The internet makes it easier than never before to isolate yourself with same-minded people. Once you do that, you're in a positive feedback loop to reinforce your beliefs and behaviours, no matter how wrong they may be. I don't think forums should cater to every subject, but they should be accessible to anyone interested.

Why should it be accessible specifically to the demographic known as "trolls"? Trolls push other demographics out, so they make their own spaces (imzy) and are then criticized for not allowing trolls?

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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I probably didn't express my view well here. I did read the article & understand they aren't free speech absolutists. Still wondering how free speech will play out here, because I wonder if they will stick to eliminating trolls or if their moderation will be subjective and "politicized".

There's no free speech if you want to ban "hate speech" or "trolling". This more or less means removing all challenging opinions and basically focus on being an echo chamber even more so than reddit. Basically thought-crime policing

I think it can be easy to differentiate name calling and trolling from actual discourse. I say this, based on past participation in a local political forum that did allow a wide variety of viewpoints... including viewpoints that were banned on the forum that spawned us.

It seems to me that many sites who have censored particular viewpoints point to hate speech and trolling inappropriately. It also seems like people here do not have high expectations for Imzy, in this way.

I have more or less given up on online political forums, and these issues seem to come up less for hobby/tech topics.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#60

Lot's "but this isn't free speech" in here, but that's exactly the point, free speech has been tried and it leads to shit holes like reddit and voat. Places you might visit, but wouldn't recommend or even admit to using in a mixed group. People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities. When confront…

> People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities.

All people do in reality ... if for some reason you choose to disregard the huge number of fairly autonomous communities on Reddit?

If I used that ultra-broad brush for HN, I'd say that all commenters here seem to do is post links to xkcd 927 and the wiki page for ad-hom.

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