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Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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>Zork created an Imzy community about debunking falsehoods, mostly political ones. It’s got 3,000 members and no trolls.

This just seems like a way of saying "people who agree agree with me." In any controversial topic determing who is a troll at the margins of discussion is very difficult.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#32
post #16

I will probably try this, out since Reddit seems unwilling to address corruption in its management. Wondering how free speech issues will play out here.

free speech is moving to voat and gab this site is not advertising itself as a free speech zone more like a polite speech zone

Voat does not really support free speech, as per their user agreement:

    You may not use Voat to break the law, violate an individual's privacy, 
    or infringe any person or entity’s intellectual property or any other 
    proprietary rights.
    
(...)

    You agree to not post anyone's sensitive personal information that relates to 
    that person's real world or online identity. Do Not Incite Harm: You agree 
    not to encourage harm against people. Protect Kids: You agree not to post 
    any child pornography or sexually suggestive content involving minors.  
No site which recognizes the authority of laws prohibiting content or expression of any kind truly supports free speech. When most people say free speech it seems what they really mean is a degree of censorship that doesn't interfere with them personally.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Why can't a forum cater to everybody? E.g., you could hide troll comments using a filter.

Why should a forum cater to everybody? That's what the Internet is there for.

Thats almost dangerous actually. The internet makes it easier than never before to isolate yourself with same-minded people.

Once you do that, you're in a positive feedback loop to reinforce your beliefs and behaviours, no matter how wrong they may be.

I don't think forums should cater to every subject, but they should be accessible to anyone interested.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#34

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

If by safe spaces you mean places where people of colour aren't subjected to racism, gay people aren't subjected to homophobia and women aren't subjected to misogyny, then I fail to see how any of these types of attack would help anyone "move forward", even "creators".

A safe space was originally a place where you could have a discussion about anything. A transgender individual could sit down with say an evangelical pastor and have an honest discussion about issues they disagree on without ad hominem attacks, fear of saying the wrong thing, etc. Somehow Safe Spaces came to be regarded as a place safe from anything remotely controversial, which hinders having conversation with people on the other side of the divide.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article? They are explicitly saying that they will (and do) ban bullying and hateful communities. They are not free speech absolutists.

I probably didn't express my view well here. I did read the article & understand they aren't free speech absolutists. Still wondering how free speech will play out here, because I wonder if they will stick to eliminating trolls or if their moderation will be subjective and "politicized".

There's no free speech if you want to ban "hate speech" or "trolling".

This more or less means removing all challenging opinions and basically focus on being an echo chamber even more so than reddit. Basically thought-crime policing

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#36

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

Do you then consider hacker news a "safe space?" Many of the things they don't allow aren't allowed here.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#37

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

Yes people should be challenged. They should be challenged by being told we expect them to act like adults. They should be challenged by being told it is unacceptable to threaten people with rape and murder.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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post #32
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

free speech is moving to voat and gab this site is not advertising itself as a free speech zone more like a polite speech zone

Voat does not really support free speech, as per their user agreement: You may not use Voat to break the law, violate an individual's privacy, or infringe any person or entity’s intellectual property or any other proprietary rights. (...) You agree to not post anyone's sensitive personal information that relates to that person's real world or online identity. Do Not Incite Harm: You agree not to encourage harm agains…

Free speech doesn't mean "anything goes even if illegal"

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#40
post #13

The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…

Just because most people are decent doesn't mean most comments are going to be. A decent person might right out a thoughtful post at one site with the same frequency that it takes a misanthrope to write 100 comments across multiple sites. And once something starts to become a shouting match, you'll get a certain number of people who go along with things even if they wouldn't act that way normally (since they think that's what most people are doing, even if it's just what a loud minority is doing).

But with good moderation you can have good conversations. For instance, I've found subreddits like /r/AskHistorians to be pretty good (for the most part).

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