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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by MK999 » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:36 PM UTC

veddox wrote: post #13

The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…

not everyone is making a good faith effort email has spam ebay has fraud forums have forum spies and bad actors see the snowden docs they talk about denying, degrading, disrupting, and destroying

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by snowpanda » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:38 PM UTC

veddox wrote: post #13

The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…

And yet, whether you realize it or not, you learned things from people that are "behaving like kindergartners". It might even be as basic as seeing examples of how not to behave.

Censorship is not the answer.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by threepipeproblm » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:39 PM UTC

MK999 wrote: post #16

threepipeproblm wrote: post #5

I will probably try this, out since Reddit seems unwilling to address corruption in its management. Wondering how free speech issues will play out here.

free speech is moving to voat and gab this site is not advertising itself as a free speech zone more like a polite speech zone

I heard about Voat recently when expressing unhappiness with Reddit. Will probably be checking it out, also... I am not that interested in the political discussion though, and on a first look it wasn't clear if Voat had much going on with techie/hobby type things.

To me I think free speech is important as a political right, but these are private sites, and it's not clear to me 100% free speech is useful. I am more interested in good, ethical management. If people are going to be banned for being jerks, especially across communities, it's not necessarily a deal breaker for me. When it amounts to filtering out particular viewpoints, I'd leave.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by vanderreeah » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:41 PM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #18

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

If by safe spaces you mean places where people of colour aren't subjected to racism, gay people aren't subjected to homophobia and women aren't subjected to misogyny, then I fail to see how any of these types of attack would help anyone "move forward", even "creators".

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by veddox » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

aaron695 wrote: post #18

I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)

We move forward by being challenged. We do not move forward by being insulted, slurred or trolled. Mutual respect is the necessary foundation for any constructive interaction.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by jdavis703 » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:44 PM UTC

I signed up on their website, went through the onboarding flow and joined a couple of communities. Without them knowing anything about my political leanings they suggested a bunch of anti-Trump communities. I guess they're not trying to solve the "filter bubble" issue, but rather becoming the Reddit for liberals? I mean it's their business for them to run as they like, but I hope somebody can take us past the Breitbart vs Huffington Post dichotomy.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by adnzzzzZ » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:44 PM UTC

veddox wrote: post #13

The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…

Think about what gives you control of the situation. Is it easier for other people to change or is it easier for you to change? It's always easier for you to change because you are in control of yourself. In this particular example it's easier for you to build a natural filter for behavior you dislike than it is to get people to not behave like you dislike.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by yummyfajitas » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:44 PM UTC

I really like the attitude of the voat founders expressed in this article:

Has the fatpeoplehate group been hard to deal with?

This group posted an image of us and called us fat. Instead of removing the image and banning the entire group, we decided to change our lives...

I wish this attitude were more common in the world.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by BEEdwards » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:44 PM UTC

Lot's "but this isn't free speech" in here, but that's exactly the point, free speech has been tried and it leads to shit holes like reddit and voat. Places you might visit, but wouldn't recommend or even admit to using in a mixed group.

People talk about free speech like it's some goal, but in reality all people seem to do with it is make fun of fat people and post stolen naked pictures of celebrities.

When confronted with the fact that this isn't acceptable behavior, even if you specifically don't ban them, they will threaten you with death and ddos your site.

"Voat has been under constant DDoS [distributed denial of service] attacks almost since Day One. At one point, our servers were shut down by our ISP without notice. We even received death threats."

Instead of lowering the bar and getting surprised when people fling shit, Imzy is trying the opposite.

Will it work, no idea, but free speech as much talk as it gets doesn't work out as well as some people like to pretend it does.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by veddox » Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 3:45 PM UTC

snowpanda wrote: post #22

veddox wrote: post #13

The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…

And yet, whether you realize it or not, you learned things from people that are "behaving like kindergartners". It might even be as basic as seeing examples of how not to behave. Censorship is not the answer.

I learnt how not to behave because my parents taught me that everybody deserves at least a minimum of respect. How is it censorship to ask people to behave themselves?