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C2 wiki closed for remodeling
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Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#52The (baffling) explanation given is that Ward Cunningham has one computer, and serving the wiki from it made it slow for other work: So why close? It gives me room to work. The continuous scraping bumps up against my web throttling making all other web services useless. Even shell is painfully slow. The other work seems to be the conversion of the original wiki into a federated wiki. The page meanders through a confu…
Running a web server on your home machine is the best way to be part of the internet rather than a consumer of services provided by corporations over the internet. It does sound like he needs a better QoS or bandwidth limiting mechanism though.
Or a second box.
Running public services on my personal server ... is very old-school, but it gives me the heeby geebies to think of doing it now.
Hardware is cheap cheap cheap. The major cost is in administering it.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Running a web server on your home machine is the best way to be part of the internet rather than a consumer of services provided by corporations over the internet. It does sound like he needs a better QoS or bandwidth limiting mechanism though.
Or a second box. Running public services on my personal server ... is very old-school, but it gives me the heeby geebies to think of doing it now. Hardware is cheap cheap cheap. The major cost is in administering it.
Or, I don't know, a second box on a second ISP line. That's what I do, but then again I live in a place where an internet connection with a static public IP address and several megabytes bw both ways is like 15$/mo (unlimited, of course).
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#54The (baffling) explanation given is that Ward Cunningham has one computer, and serving the wiki from it made it slow for other work: So why close? It gives me room to work. The continuous scraping bumps up against my web throttling making all other web services useless. Even shell is painfully slow. The other work seems to be the conversion of the original wiki into a federated wiki. The page meanders through a confu…
He only talks about his network connection. It might very well be hosted on a different box.
"shell" means SSH, not the local shell.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#55Code and Preview of the wiki rewrite at https://github.com/WardCunningham/remodeling
So an Ajax call loading in half a MB of data (names.txt)... This rewrite really comes of as strange.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#56> Smallest Federated Wiki is a software platform developed by Ward Cunningham which adds forking features found in software development tools like GitHub to wikis.[1] The project was launched at IndieWebCamp 2011.[2] The software allows its users to fork wiki pages, maintaining their own copies. > > Federation supports what Cunningham has described as "a chorus of voices" where users share content but maintain their…
> In short I guess if I disagree with a page instead of editing it and starting an edit-war I can fork it. Which I'd expect to lead to less of a "chorus" and more of a cacophony of voices as every disputed change, every contentious rewrite, leads to another fork of the original. Merging software branches can be hard enough. Merging "forks" of English text is horrendous, and gets worse the further the forks are from e…
Programmers love putting things into little boxes with labels on them. The cacophony you lament is inevitable because it mirrors the real world. Do it the way you want, or it'll be yet another Facebook or Google of the internet that gets done for you.
Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions. It's the only way to make progress. -- Vetinari
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? I don't see any problem, the message seems quite clear; wikis (similar to forums) are hard to maintain (spam, server load & costs); new inventions are hard to promote (federated wiki mentioned in the post); and maintenance work on hobby projects is gruesome and taxing (thus any chance at getting some leeway by any means available is invaluable).
Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.
Evidence suggests not.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or a second box. Running public services on my personal server ... is very old-school, but it gives me the heeby geebies to think of doing it now. Hardware is cheap cheap cheap. The major cost is in administering it.
Or, I don't know, a second box on a second ISP line. That's what I do, but then again I live in a place where an internet connection with a static public IP address and several megabytes bw both ways is like 15$/mo (unlimited, of course).
Keep in mind that for residential cable or DSL service, a given neighbourhood is very likely within a single circuit, and is subject to congestion from nearby connections (subject to their own caps). So a second line might not be quite so useful as all that, though it's almost certainly worth looking into.
Multi-homing onto fully independent networks could be quite useful.
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not exactly a trivial task, and surely gruesome. And could still draw flak from some unhappy people anyway. And by the way - isn't the contents maybe available on the Web Archive already?
wget --mirror. Put it into a directory. Serve the directory. Done. (I'm simplifiying here of course, but as long as you can get the server running, it's not hard to make a static copy.) But yeah, it's all on archive.com: https://web.archive.org/web/20160326180126/http://c2.com/cgi... ?
Here's the result of running
wayback_machine_downloader http://c2.com/cgi/wiki
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90674827/c2.tar.gz (~109MB)
Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling
#60So, where's the content? How many backups are there? How many backups are offsite? Are any publicly-available?
The Wayback Machine on archive.org has it, at least.
Here's the result of running
wayback_machine_downloader http://c2.com/cgi/wiki
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90674827/c2.tar.gz (~109MB)