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Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by Karunamon »

inimino wrote: post #30
ptero wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.

Thus turning the original wiki into something non-editable? If it can't be maintained as a wiki, the experiment is already over, right? Ward Cunningham isn't under any obligation to provide static archives, and these already exist elsewhere. Edit: turns out this was already the case. What I really want to say is that we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way wor…

It hasn't been editable for a long while now

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by tgfgvc »

TylerE wrote: post #24
labster wrote: post #5

I was afraid that they'd get taken in by this federated wiki nonsense; I fear we might have lost one of the greats to second system syndrome. Federated wiki is a cool idea and all, but I don't want to have to build my own wiki of everything, or decide what concepts should be included in my own wiki. The whole strength of wiki to me is that it massively multiplayer user curated content, where the whole state is determ…

Has federated anything every really caught on?

git

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by maxerickson »

memracom wrote: post #15
startling wrote: post #11

So, where's the content? How many backups are there? How many backups are offsite? Are any publicly-available?

Read the article. Unfortunately the content is looked up in a tangle of different character encodings and Ward needs to do a lot of work to convert it all into UTF-8. When that is done, it will all come back, better than before.

I wonder if Unicode, Dammit would be helpful.

https://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/bs4/doc/#unico...

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by inimino »

Karunamon wrote: post #31
inimino wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus turning the original wiki into something non-editable? If it can't be maintained as a wiki, the experiment is already over, right? Ward Cunningham isn't under any obligation to provide static archives, and these already exist elsewhere. Edit: turns out this was already the case. What I really want to say is that we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way wor…

It hasn't been editable for a long while now

I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the clarification.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

#36

Post by ktRolster »

inimino wrote: post #30
ptero wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.

Thus turning the original wiki into something non-editable? If it can't be maintained as a wiki, the experiment is already over, right? Ward Cunningham isn't under any obligation to provide static archives, and these already exist elsewhere. Edit: turns out this was already the case. What I really want to say is that we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way wor…

I think the problem was that useful comments hadn't been added to it in a while, and most new comments were just spam of some sort or another.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by Camillo »

The (baffling) explanation given is that Ward Cunningham has one computer, and serving the wiki from it made it slow for other work:

    So why close? It gives me room to work. The continuous scraping bumps up
    against my web throttling making all other web services useless. Even
    shell is painfully slow.
The other work seems to be the conversion of the original wiki into a federated wiki. The page meanders through a confusing explanation which probably makes sense if you know the history of that particular project, but the ultimate result seems to be the same: "If you want to help. Learn some federated wiki."

So I guess another reason for closing the old wiki could be to take advantage of the news this generate to recruit people for this (new? old?) conversion effort.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by dpark »

inimino wrote: post #30
ptero wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.

Thus turning the original wiki into something non-editable? If it can't be maintained as a wiki, the experiment is already over, right? Ward Cunningham isn't under any obligation to provide static archives, and these already exist elsewhere. Edit: turns out this was already the case. What I really want to say is that we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way wor…

> we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way works for him

This is an unhealthy attitude and I'm continually surprised that people say things like this. Having respect for someone does not mean that they are above criticism. It doesn't mean silent obedience. You can respect someone and still say, "hey, this thing you're doing is a bad idea."

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by inimino »

dpark wrote: post #38
inimino wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus turning the original wiki into something non-editable? If it can't be maintained as a wiki, the experiment is already over, right? Ward Cunningham isn't under any obligation to provide static archives, and these already exist elsewhere. Edit: turns out this was already the case. What I really want to say is that we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way wor…

> we should respect Ward Cunningham's choices in maintaining the site how he wants, in whatever way works for him This is an unhealthy attitude and I'm continually surprised that people say things like this. Having respect for someone does not mean that they are above criticism. It doesn't mean silent obedience. You can respect someone and still say, "hey, this thing you're doing is a bad idea."

Where did I say "above criticism" and what does "obedience" have to do with this? (Is Mr. Cunningham bossing you around?)

The attitude that actually is unhealthy is when someone graciously provides a service to the community for years, and then stops doing that, and people whine as though they are entitled to the continuation of that service.

Respect in cases like this should mean to appreciate the work done to keep the thing running until now, and if someone decides to stop doing that work, respect that choice, even if you don't understand it or agree with it.

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