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Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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post #39

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> There is real conservative opposition to return-free filing. For instance, conservatives in general think the tax code is both too complex and too onerous. In a return-free system, citizens are given a summarized bill and encouraged not to consider the line items. The concern is that the bill is unfair, and the less citizens have it shoved in their face, the less likely we are to get a fairer tax code. I'm a conser…

> Even showing no understanding of basic math when deduction + flat rate taxes are suggested. As a left-winger, my views and yours probably aren't that far off. I would be fine with a flat tax (that was actually collected from everyone) and a large deductible. Even more so if it was coupled with a meaningful basic income guarantee. The problem is that I don't actually believe politicians when they say that is what th…

I don't see how you can get a fair flat tax, once you take into account transfer payments and entitlements that benefit lower-income people. I think you can make government's intake look fair with a flat tax, but that the inevitable outcome of that will be a system that lowers the burden on the wealthy by doing fewer things for the poor.

I don't think the complexity of the tax system is really that much of a problem. And for the past few years, I've been getting a face-full of the system in all its complex and frankly idiotic glory. I think it's fine that the system kind of screws people like me, and also benefits accountants and a tax preparation industry. We can afford it.

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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post #7

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If $2.3MM/yr over 5 years is enough to reshape the trajectory of fundamental laws in this country, why aren't people just Kickstarter-ing cannabis decriminalization, marriage equality, and copyright law changes? My point is: that's not a lot of money. Not that I think you can get important changes done for $2.3MM. There is real conservative opposition to return-free filing. For instance, conservatives in general thin…

why aren't people just Kickstarter-ing cannabis decriminalization, marriage equality, and copyright law changes? I would imagine it's a lot cheaper to bribe a politician when: 1. The bribe doesn't get any publicity/press coverage/cause any embarrassment. Campaign donations from big corporations are "business as usual" and the politicians don't look corrupt in the press - but do the same way in a public, attention-gra…

It's even simpler, really, and a classic and well-researched defect in representative democracy. Any time there is an interest group (which can be one person, one corporation, an industry, etc.) that wants something that is highly advantageous to itself and costs a very large number of other people a very small amount of money each, that interest group will always pay a small portion of its benefit to politicians for support, and politicians will always support it. This is because it's not worthwhile for millions of individuals to band together and defeat something that costs each one only a few cents. Literally, the time it takes (whether to make a donation, write a letter, or make whatever other trivial contribution) exceeds the value of shutting down the special interest.

Intuit likes income-tax returns and tax laws in general that are complex. But there are hundreds of other special interests, most very narrow, that favor specific bits of the tax code and will lobby to keep them. Collectively, these things cost us trillions of dollars, but individually they are impossible to defeat because no single one is large enough to be worthwhile.

This happens in all representative democracies where tax law is set by the legislature. There are ways to avoid it, but there is currently no state that has tried to do so (probably because this problem is extremely profitable for the political industry).

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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Quicken can download transactions from every bank I've used. From what I can tell, it uses the same APIs that Mint does. But the data is never stored anywhere but my home server.

Quicken's bank feeds are processed the same way mint's are - through an Intuit service that makes the call to the financial institution. That call ostensibly adds other functional value (transaction categorization, friendly names for businesses), but Intuit's in custody of your financial data (and passwords) to perform that feature. Fortunately, Intuit's also (currently) takes lots of care to ensure proper data-at-re…

Also, I'm not sure that your bank or credit union or especially credit card warrants all that much trust either - what are the chances that they could resist a well-planned hack? Or that they aren't already selling your data?

At some point, it's better that you have a copy of your data too if all the third-party advertisers already have one.

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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post #44

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Yes, from [1], I would never support return free filing. The tax code is far too complicated, and the IRS far too inept for me to trust that they would not screw my taxes up. That said, if we went to a flat tax, or a national sales tax, or something else that drastically simplifies the tax code, then the issue would be moot. And most of those simplifications would be supported by Conservatives. (Note, I mean real Con…

If "flat tax" only means go to a single income bracket and percentage, it would not simplify the tax code much at all. The progressive part of tax code involves a single lookup at the end. The complexity exists almost entirely in tax expenditures -- deductions, exclusions, credits, etc., etc., etc. I don't know what "real Conservatives" think, but in polling many tax expenditures do very well. For example, 68% of Rep…

> The complexity exists almost entirely in tax expenditures -- deductions, exclusions, credits, etc., etc., etc.

I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but any flat tax I'd support would have to do away with all of those things. And I'm pretty sure most of my conservative friends would agree.

In that poll you linked to, see the "Which Type of Plan Do You Prefer?" question 42. Republicans favored eliminating more deductions.

Also, that survey is really bad. In q44-51, they didn't mention cutting spending at all.

Change: "q51 (In order to reduce the budget deficit, would you favor or oppose) Reducing some government programs and services that benefit people like you?" to "q51 (In order to reduce the budget deficit, would you favor or oppose) Cutting spending on some government programs and services that benefit people like you?" I expect a lot more Republican responses would favor that idea.

And they should at least have mentioned reforming social security and medicare/aid.

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

#55
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If $2.3MM/yr over 5 years is enough to reshape the trajectory of fundamental laws in this country, why aren't people just Kickstarter-ing cannabis decriminalization, marriage equality, and copyright law changes? My point is: that's not a lot of money. Not that I think you can get important changes done for $2.3MM. There is real conservative opposition to return-free filing. For instance, conservatives in general thin…

>If $2.3MM/yr over 5 years is enough to reshape the trajectory of fundamental laws in this country, why aren't people just Kickstarter-ing cannabis decriminalization, marriage equality, and copyright law changes? Not all political battles are equal. 1) There are lobbies dedicated to keeping cannabis illegal and marriage unequal. There aren't any lobbies dedicated to keeping taxes simple. 2) It's easier to kill propos…

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Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

#56
I switched from Quicken to Moneydance some time ago. The export/import worked fine. I had been a Quicken customer a 10-15 years and I was just so infuriated with all the UI churn to justify the upgrades and their turning off online transactions after a few years, FOR NO REASON.

MD is written in Java, it's simple, it's supported, they come out with new versions, and you can upgrade if you want.

I am not at all affiliated with the company that makes Moneydance. Just a completely satisfied customer who didn't want to pay Intuit another penny, for the rest of my life.

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

#57
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If $2.3MM/yr over 5 years is enough to reshape the trajectory of fundamental laws in this country, why aren't people just Kickstarter-ing cannabis decriminalization, marriage equality, and copyright law changes? My point is: that's not a lot of money. Not that I think you can get important changes done for $2.3MM. There is real conservative opposition to return-free filing. For instance, conservatives in general thin…

why aren't people just Kickstarter-ing cannabis decriminalization, marriage equality, and copyright law changes? I would imagine it's a lot cheaper to bribe a politician when: 1. The bribe doesn't get any publicity/press coverage/cause any embarrassment. Campaign donations from big corporations are "business as usual" and the politicians don't look corrupt in the press - but do the same way in a public, attention-gra…

Wasn't "My name is Howard Dean; give me some money." basically the first political kickstarter?

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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post #50
post #39

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> Even showing no understanding of basic math when deduction + flat rate taxes are suggested. As a left-winger, my views and yours probably aren't that far off. I would be fine with a flat tax (that was actually collected from everyone) and a large deductible. Even more so if it was coupled with a meaningful basic income guarantee. The problem is that I don't actually believe politicians when they say that is what th…

> ...the poor need to pay their "fair share" The basic idea is that the Government should treat everyone equally. Treating someone differently because they have a lower income than others is discriminatory. Just as treating someone with a higher income differently is discriminatory. Plus, as soon as you open the law up to treating people differently based on some arbitrary criteria, you open it up to corruption. A fe…

Treating someone differently because they have a lower income than others is discriminatory.

Wealth is not a protected class; unlike gender, race, and religion, we don't have a legal mandate to avoid making decisions based on a person's wealth.

It's about everyone paying their fair share.

What does 'fair' mean, though? Another 'fair' scheme might be that everyone pays the same raw amount (rather than a fixed proportion of their income). After all, isn't it discriminatory to include a person's income in the formula for how much one should pay? Our tax code then looks like:

Tax(person) = requiredRevenue / nPopulation

Unfortunately, this ends up requiring poor people to pay more than they actually generate, requiring government to throw the poor in jail for tax evasion and tax more to cover the cost of the prisons.

Ok, so we should be allowed to use a person's income as a parameter to the tax equation. The 'flat' tax scheme is to use a formula like:

Tax(person) = fixedRatio x person.Income

The fixed ratio can again be figured out by looking at total income of the population and the required revenue.

Two major criticisms (amongst many): a) The marginal utility of money is greatly increased when you don't have much of it. A 15% tax on $20k a year will lead to eviction, hunger and health problems, creating social ills that we'll need government programs to deal with. Or they'll just not pay the tax, so again with the prisons. And again, the overall tax needs to be increased to deal with a stupid choice in the tax code. This is inefficient and arguably unfair.

b) Furthermore, if we don't want to punish the poor for being poor, we have to reduce the ratio, meaning we greatly reduce investment in infrastructure, education, etc, mainly as a result of undertaxing the wealthy to avoid punishing the poor. This also seems hella backwards.

So maybe we end up with something like:

Tax(person) = min(0, r_0 + r_1 person.Income + r_2 (person.Income - baseIncome)^2)

with r_i fixed coefficients. So now we have four parameters to choose (or more, if we want a more general polynomial). And suddenly this requires real policy decisions to be made with some nuance...

So to me, it comes down to a question of whether we want to over-simplify the question of how to fund government - negatively impacting either a broad class of the population or drastically degrading the services provided by government - or whether we trust a segment of the civil service to do something a bit more nuanced.

I come down on the 'fix the fucking government' side, personally.

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even showing no understanding of basic math when deduction + flat rate taxes are suggested. As a left-winger, my views and yours probably aren't that far off. I would be fine with a flat tax (that was actually collected from everyone) and a large deductible. Even more so if it was coupled with a meaningful basic income guarantee. The problem is that I don't actually believe politicians when they say that is what th…

> the modern GOP actually wants a regressive system where the rich pay almost nothing and there is no deductible because the poor need to pay their "fair share" None of the information I've seen posted for alternate tax systems by conservatives / GOP have ever had anything like that. That is something I hear a lot from papers that lean left, but is not the reality of any of the plans. Even the sales tax-based plans t…

But have any Republican elected officials actually put these policies into action? I mean, let's take Scott Walker. What has he done in Wisconsin? Seems like a lot of giveaways to the wealthy and not much else. This despite having a pretty solid mandate as mandates go these days (given that he survived a recall).

There are lots of reasonable-sounding proposals on various topics on both sides of the aisle (mostly from think tanks). The important thing is what happens when a party actually gets into government.

Re: Intuit Will Sell Off Quicken

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post #13

What is a good, active cloud based personal finance software service? The ones I have come across look ok, but aren't actively developed.

If you have the patience and willingness to learn some basic and not-so-basic acccounting principles: I'd suggest GNUCash (http://www.gnucash.org/)
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